Month: October 2008

CMLL booking change?

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Here is the Cesar @ box y lucha post I think everyone was talking about over the weekend, re: Lizmark/Corelone fight and the Lagurenos taking over being as much real as angle. I tend not to believe a lot of what I’m reading on boards right now – the previous unrest plus the jumps gives a lot of space for people to float unsubstantiated rumors – but this does seem pretty solid.

The story goes, Ultimo Guerrero and others (generally from his home region) are angry about the way things have been going in CMLL lately (crowd, people unhappy with how they’re being used or not being used at all) and forced a change in the CMLL booking office. This was mirrored in the big angle on Friday night and also the reason none of that angle made sense given what had been going on previously.

There’s a lot more interesting posts in that thread (at least the first page; not as much as it goes on.) A couple posts down, Cesar mentions the Ultimo Guerrero led faction wants to the company to focus on using CMLL wrestler, rather than putting foreign wrestler and independent guys (Park? Wagner?) on top and not getting anything out of it. I’m sure the jumps were part of this happening; surely people are bitter that they or their friends could’ve had Alex or Shadow’s spot and wouldn’t have left (because they don’t have the safety net of going back to the US.)

Negro Casas is mentioned as one being on the out on the power struggle, which would imply he was one pushing for the international/independent guys. That would also seem to mean to me that he and Rocky are indeed going to be teaming on that NJPW tour, which is totally weird.

Speaking about those jumps: Alex Koslov explains his jump on his mySpace page. Rocky Romero talks about never liking the Grey Shadow gimmick. AAA says DGMex is neither tecnico or rudo. Which means they’re rudo.

CMLL.com updated with subs for Alex Koslov. Valiente is in the semifinal on Tuesday, Volador Jr. is in his place on Friday.

10/13: GDL, Campeons de la Lucha Libre, lineup

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CMLL (SUN) 10/12 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
4) Blue Panther & Sagrado b Ephesto & Mephisto [Torneo Corona, quarterfinal]
5) Damián 666 & Texano Jr. b La Sombra & Metalik [Torneo Corona, quarterfinal]
6) La Sombra & Metalik b Ephesto & Mephisto [Torneo Corona, semifinal]
7) Marco Corelone b Lizmark Jr.

Marco took it in two falls. Lizmark got DQed in the first for excessive violence, Corelone won the second with his feet on the ropes.

Dragon Rojo Jr. says Los Campeones de la Lucha Libre is a tribute not just to him, but to all Mexican wrestling. Satanico, Olimpico, Maximo, Hijo de Faraon and La Mascara are mentioned as attending the premiere over the weekend. Do Lagurernos not stick together when it comes to movie watching? El Manana relates Eddie Chan and Lili Chan meeting Dragon Rojo Jr. for the first time, just the Friday before the show.

Al Filo del Ring talks to Oriental about his career. He says he’s talking to NOAH. Since she’s wrestling again, Oriental would also like the bring Esther Moreno back to AAA to help counter the Apaches. In her interview, Esther talks about coming back to win her first world championship, challenging Amapola to a match but not ruling out going to AAA.

Martha Villalobos, during her collection of items for hurricane victims, talked about her career with Notimex. She plans on retiring “esta proxima” due to issues with her knees. Martha says foreigners, ladders and tables are killing AAA and putting the end to the real sport. Villaobos talks about the wacky hardcore matches she’s seen in Japan and thinks the worst of that is coming to Mexico next.

SoloLuchas has interviews with Xochitl Hamada and La Roca. No, no that one, the indy luchador. There’s also a profile of Los Espantos.

Aerostar, signing autographs.

AAA CANTU (MON) 10/13 Arena Caminos Nuevo Laredo [RFC]
1) Black Fenix, Principe Diamante, Street Boy vs Black Mamba, Oscuridad, Violento
2) Rio Bravo, Tiger Cota, Tito Santana II vs Babe Rap, Billy Boy, Pimpinela Escarlata
3) Hombre Sin Miedo, Laredo Kid, Silver King vs Antifaz del Norte, Joe Lider, X-Fly
4) Alan Stone & Alex Koslov vs Chessman & Zorro

Alex is on the road immediately. X-Fly lives! That’s the Laredo Kid return match. Antifaz seems to be in and out AAA on a weekly basis, maybe he’s just here as a local.

indy (THU) 10/16 Arena Olimpico Laguna de Gomez Palacio [el siglo de torreon]
1) Aguila Negra & New Warriro vs Camorra & Detector Jr.
2) Calaquita & Mini Maximo vs Pentagoncito & Ricky Estrada
3) Sexy Libre & Sexy Piscis vs Dulce Paola & Sexy Francis
4) Angel de Oro, Hijo del Fantasma, Sagrado vs Epsnto V, Guerrero Inca, Último Guerrero

This is the first 54th anniversary show for the building, which opened on October 28, 1954. They plan on running more anniversary celebrations on the 23rd and the 30th. Javier Dipp is quoted here – is he the building’s promoter?

FILL (SUN) 10/19 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Red Flamer vs Red Rebeld, Corazon Adicto, Angel Negro, Black Diamond, Panterita Ring II, Justiciero, Pedro Najavas [cage, mask, hair]
2) Latin Heart & Sexy King vs Criminal & Dr. Tormenta
3) Golden Boy, Huracan Ramirez Jr., Sangre Chicana vs Pancho Tequila, Rey Demonio Jr., Simbolo [FILL TRIOS]
4) Hator vs Sangre Chicana [FILL MIDDLE]
5) Intocable, Juventud Guerrera, Toscano vs Aventurero, Ghefar, Sergio Romo Jr.

Hator’s listed as the current champ. No current champ is listed in the trios match; last time I have a record for this titles, it was Casanova, Humberto Garza Jr., and Principe Franky. Juvi’s girlfriend Lizzy Valentin is referee in his match.

Luchaworld has Robert on 04/22/06 CMLL, 04/29/08 CMLL, and04/07/06 AAA.

AAA #853 (10/04)

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aired 10/04, taped 09/07

Recent minis matches (time)
2:43 – Mini Histera vs Mascarita Sagrada
3:13 – Mini Abismo Negro vs La Parkita
3:40 – Mini Chessman vs Octagoncito
2:48 – Mascarita de la Muerte vs Atomic Boy
3:00 – Jerrito vs Mini Charly
2:40 – Mini Kenzo vs Mascarita Divina

4:08 – Mini Kenzo vs Octagoncito
4:52 – Mini Charly vs Mascarita Sagrada
2:40 – Abismo vs Atomic

8:45 – trios

That doesn’t seem right. They can’t find five full minutes for a single match, and the trios is nearly nine? This has all been poor.

The editing has gotten beyond ridiculous. How someone can see that show, see that the finish of a match was missed, and let it make air like that is unbelievable.

Oriental was one evil dude.

download match (95 MB)
full show (743 MB)

Ozz saying “we’re going to do it at VdE” is actually a subtle angle for AAA.

Super Fly is such the jobber.

10/12: IWRG, jumps, lineups

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IWRG (THU) 10/09 Arena Naucalpan [SuperLuchas #285]
1) King Drako & Nemesis IWRG b Eragon & Miss Gavitoa
2) Freelance, Pegasso Xtreme, Rey Cometa b Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
3) Mascara Ano 2000 Jr. b Head Hunter I, Toscano, el Hijo Del Anibal, Zumbido, Hjio de Pierroth, Latino, Multifacético, Aeroman, Fuerza Guerrera [lumberjack strap match, #1, Rey De Ring]

The main event turned out to be a lumber jack strap match with eliminations in the ring and the winner facing Scorpio Jr. at some point in the future for his title. Because of the strapping, the wrestlers were more concerned with staying in the ring than winning the actual match. The indy Fuerza Aerea beat the Oficials, setting up a title match for next week.

SuperLuchas also has a big interview with Romero and Koslov abut their jumps, which is very much worth reading in it’s entirety. Romero says he was brought in to CMLL to be what amounts to be a Mistico clone (they didn’t expect him to be that over, but that’s the kind of character CMLL wanted; what does it say that CMLL felt they need to go out of the company to get this sort of character?) Once it didn’t work out, they really didn’t have any plans for him. Romero is still under the belief it’ll be Negro Casas and him teaming in NJPW, a historic CMLL/AAA team up.

Alex says jumping to AAA was the toughest decision of his career – CMLL gave him a big opportunity but they had stopped giving him anything to do and he felt like he was dying as a wrestler. (It’s funny, there’s an ESTO article which notes Alex just told them last week he wanted to win the CMLL Middleweight Title; if he actually had an opportunity to do that or something like that, I think he would’ve have jumped.) Alex had been considering going back to the US, but thinks AAA will give him more chance to grow. You only get one lifetime, so Alex didn’t want to waste it. He thanks Paco Alonso, while noting Alonso isn’t very happy with him right now. Alex says a lot of their former colleagues understand why he and Rocky did what they did.

In a Notimex article, Ultimo Guerrero explains he and others couldn’t take the Villanos beating up Panther, so they decided to do something. (So did the fans.) They’re calling the group Ola Lagunera for the moment and are inviting rudos and tecnicos to join in their war against the Villanos. Besides the guys who were together on Friday, Euforia, Misterioso II, Stuka and Dr. Wagner Jr. are mentioned as possible other members. Ultimo Guerrero admits he has no idea where this leaves him, Atlantis and the rest of the Guerreros, and they’ll have to talk about it. Skip down to the lineups for more on that. The last paragraph quotes Mephisto when they mean Ephesto, though it points out the Triad of Terror ought to be dead once more, since the Villanos and the Perros are allies.

More from Rey Misterio Jr., who must’ve had a phone conference to promote the tour he’s not even on. Rey wants to do a movie, thinks AAA and CMLL must continue to surprise and motivate the fans if they want to draw, and plans to retire…in 8 or 10 years. And that’s just from the WWE, he plans on touring Mexico (and the world) as an indepedent after that.

Accion had highlights of the CMLL main event but didn’t show a second of the post match angle. AAA was the Pachuca main event (in other words, Jack takes crazy bumps for Parka and Ciber.) Parka got Jack with an electric chair superplex, pinned him, Piero only had time to count one before Parka got up off the pin, adjusted his mask, and covered again for the three. Very odd.

ESTO talks to Dragon Rojo Jr. (the wrestler) and Dragon Rojo Jr. (the voice in the movie)

El Manana profiles Cassandro, listing the (unnamed) CHIKARA Lightweight Title as one of his biggest wins.

Blue Panther talks about the mask match and the aftermath; he thought he had that match won.

Martha Villalobos and her wrestlers are collecting canned food for hurricane relief.

Looks like all the AAA wrestlers are now off the next DTU card.

Luchaworld has KrisZ’s newest news update

Lineups

AAA (THU) 10/16 Arena Victoria De Guadalajara
1) Kal El vs the Police
2) Apocalipsis, Baby Serratos, Tony Rodriguez vs Principe Azteca, Sultan Negro, Tigre Negro
3) Roberto Paz Jr. vs Makabre
4) Joe Lider & Nicho el Millionario vs Extreme Tiger & Shyru Dragon [AAA TAG]

MAYBE results will turn up for this one, the NGX stuff shows up in ByL occasionally.

IWRG (FRI) 10/17 Arena Naucalpan
1) Halcon 2000 vs Avsiman
2) Eragon & Miss Gaviota vs Carta Brava & King Drako
3) Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro vs Freelance, Pegasso Extreme, Rey Cometa [EdM TRIOS]
4) Super Astro, Ultramán Jr., Zumbido vs Black Terry, Dr. Cerebro, Shu el Guerrero
5) El Hijo Del Santo, Groon XXX, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Fuerza Guerrera, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000

Special Friday night show instead of the usual Thursday one.

AULL (SAT) 10/18 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Nino de Fuego, Principe Torbellino, Rey Krystal vs Antar, Black Star, Zayruz
2) Psicopata, Super Panda, Triple X vs Black Spirit, Epitafio, Herejia
3) Quimico Jr., Terry 2000, Yakuza vs Rey Krimen, Rocky Santana, Sepulturero I
4) Mictlán, Último Dragón, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sadico
5) Antifaz del Norte, Héctor Garza, LA Park vs Mr. Niebla, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero

PROLLM (SUN) 10/19 Coliseo Coacalco
1) Epidemia vs Huizar, Daga, Charro, Osiris, Lobo Metalico, Aleph, Black Mormo, Judas el Traidor, Heracles, Betos Boy, Eterno, Forastero, Espejismo, Damian El Guerrero, Guman [ciber]
2) Niebla Negra I & Rudy Garduno vs Niebla Negra II & Samoth [mask, hair]
3) Axel, Tony Rivera, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., El Magnifico, Negro Navarro
4) Rey Bucanero & Último Guerrero vs Black Warrior & Terrible

Anniversary show, and not the Mr. Mexico hair match they were just building up here. Plans change.

CMLL (SUN) 10/19 Arena Coliseo
1) Sombra de Plata & Trueno vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Dark Angel, Goddess, Princesa Blanca vs La Seductora, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Sujei
3) Hijo del Fantasma, Mictlán, Starman vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Skandalo
4) La Máscara, La Sombra, Volador Jr. vs Averno, Satánico, Terrible
5) Blue Panther, Héctor Garza, LA Park vs Rey Bucanero, Villano IV, Villano V

Rey teaming with the Villanos is interesting with Ultimo Guerrero on the other side of the war, but then when you recall the Guerreros and the Perros aren’t supposed to be getting along previously, it just seems like someone’s not paying attention when booking. Panther teaming with two Monterrey guys would be another clue.

Starman in the tercera = obvious Alex Koslov stand in. Alex is still listed Tuesday and Friday. CMLL has not bothered to update their lineups, 48 hours after the jump.

IWRG (SUN) 10/19 Arena Naucalpan
1) Super Halcon Jr. vs Carta Brava
2) Eragon & Jack vs Furia Guerrera & King Drako
3) Gemeo Fantastico I vs Dr. Cerebro
4) Freelance, Multifacético, Pendulo vs Black Terry, Ciclon Negro, Terror Negro
5) Latino & Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Head Hunter I & Veneno

This is the TV Azteca taping. The Scorpio show with Santo in the main event is for TV C Deportes. Not sure that’s the way I’d do things, unless I’d given up on the TV Azteca deal.

CMLL FSE #112 (09/28)

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(this wasn’t supposed to be up tonight, but since it’s been sitting here for 90 minutes anyway…)

aired 09/28, taped 09/21

Not a lot to say here. Purpura’s trying new stuff and I’d love for someone to identify Warrior’s submission, but that’s about it. Since the matches bell to bell are under 20 minutes here (and next), I’ve just included them all on the file. There’s the full show if you want everything else.

matches (95 MB)
full show (303 MB)

AAA #852 (09/27)

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taped 08/31, aired 09/27

This is really the opposite of what I was talking about in the last FSE – there’s no point in having Jack Evans if he’s going to wrestle the same as everyone else, except the few high spots he does are better, but that’s what the Alas de Oro rematch turned into. I was hoping for fast action and high flying from Jack vs Aero, and we got a slow methodical match, no different than you could’ve had with Aerostar vs Zorro or Electro (though Jack does sell.) And, of course, no one can lose clean all the sudden.

Video is of the women’s match and Billy’s crew vs the Monterrey rudos. Neither was given much time, but there wasn’t that much good here.

dailymotion link – this has been up for hours but they still don’t have the embed link.
download (96 MB; note that it’s an AVI)
download entire show (741 MB)

Do you realize all the fans are supposed to suddenly like Mesias, even though he’s been the most evil guy in the group for two years and even though he’s feuding with Vampiro at the moment, just because Cibernetico has given him an unclear thumbs up? Chessman tried to get revenge on a man who didn’t just run into attack right now, but has attempted to murder him a few times in the last year, and he’s the guy turning evil? Cibernetico’s coming off like a moron here, which surely can not be the idea.

Using Elegido to build up Ozz would be good, except Elegido seems to be in a feud with Pirata (one we’d expect Elegido to win) and they’re not doing anything specifically with Ozz yet. Otherwise, great