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10/07 AAA TV Results (SLP) – Heroes Inmortales

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AAA TV (SUN) 10/07/2012 Domo Centro de Espectaculos, San Luis Potosi [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Fuego en el Ring]
***Heroes Inmortales, 2012***
1) Mini Charly Manson, Mini Histeria, Mini Psycho Clown b Dinastía, Mascarita Dorada, Octagoncito
Mini Charly replaced Mini Psicosis and beat Dorada with a foul.
2) Halloween & Mari Apache b Atomic Boy & Fabi Apache and Fenix & Lolita and Alan Stone & Jennifer Blake [AAA MIXED TAG]
Match was announced for vacant titles, but Alan Stone replaced Ultimo Gladiador and so the tag champs were reunited. Halloween replaced Gran Apache. Both may be explained on TV we haven’t seen yet. Sexi Star was guest referee, which was mentioned when the lineup was announced locally but treated as a surprise here. Gran Apache attacked Atomic Boy and powerbomed him on the floor. Halloween speared Fabi, then allowed Mari to have the honor of the winning pin. Gran Apache did a 180 on Halloween and talked him up to Mari, but Mari still left Halloween hanging when he went for a hug.
3) Joe Lider & Vampiro b Abyss & Chessman [AAA TAG]
Abyss & Chessman came in as champs. Usual hardcore match. Vampiro pinned Chessman to win the title. Abyss was angry about the title loss and beat up Chessman. Vampiro tried to make the save, but Chessman attacked him.
4) Texano Jr. b El Elegido, Extreme Tiger, La Parka Jr., Toscano, Daga, Héctor Garza, Juventud Guerrera, Último Gladiador, El Mesías, Heavy Metal, Psycho Clown, Alebrije [Copa Antonio Pena]
Battle royal and maybe royal rumble rules. Elimination order went Toscano, Extreme Tiger, Ultimo Gladiador (evidently replacing Zorro), Psycho Clown, Juvi and then no more were mentioned of it. Juvi suffered a shoulder injury and was strechered out. Elegido, Daga, Heavy Metal did participate and went out of during this span. AAA’s recap also mentions Alebrije being added to the match. Final four were Parka, Garza, Mesias and Texano. Garza and Park went out, and Texano won with a Konnan distraction and a foul. Texano said he respected Antonio Pena’s contributions – to CMLL – but refused to accept the trophy. Mesias vowed to send Texano back to CMLL. Referee Copetes ruled the championship vacant.
5) Jeff Jarrett, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Silver Kain b Dr. Wagner Jr., LA Park, Zorro
Zorro replaced Electroshock. Rudos won with a Jarrett chair shot to Park and destroyed Parka after the match.
6) Halloween L Cibernético, Cuervo, Jack Evans, Ozz, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Teddy Hart, Psicosis [dome cage, hair]
Last man out lost his hair. Teddy was accompanied by the two (unnamed) blonde women from Thursday’s Perros del Mal show. Order of escape went Cibernetico, Ozz, Psicosis, Perro, Teddy, Jack and finally Cuervo to leave Halloween behind. Both the Perros and Sect got involved when it came down to Cuervo and Halloween, with Fabi and Atomic Boy also attacking Halloween with a light tube, and Cuervo powerbombing Halloween thru a table.

Air Date: 10/20, 10/27

Alan Stone, better positioned
photo by Black Terry Jr.

AAA’s Twitter also said there’d be about a surprise as far as how we’ll be able see the show. My guess is they’re upload to YouTube; they did that with both TripleMania and the expo show, and have done it for non-match footage from Ecatepec.

This is Halloween’s 3rd hair loss in 3 years. He lost his hair on the same event one year ago, in the Psycho Circus vs Perros del Mal masks vs hair match. I had hypothesized Halloween had been offered a reward for sticking in AAA when his friends had left; I might still be right, though I was off by one show. It’s Cuervo’s first hair match win in a decade; he won a few in the late 90s, when he was an indy guy wrestling in the likes of Arena Lopez Mateos. This is a result Arena Mexico fans would be mightily uphappy about – similar to Goya Kong losing her mask/scarf. I think AAA fans probably were hoping for a more significant result, but have been trained as to what AAA considers a fair result and aren’t (or shouldn’t) be surprised.

Don’t have an attendance number. Judging from Black Terry Jr.’s pictures – which you should click and check out up there – the top level/ring of the arena was empty (not sold?) and the luxury boxes were mostly unused, but the lower levels seem pretty full. Maybe in the 9,000 area, but your guess is as good as mine.

Not sure what happened to Electroshock. He worked Tinieblas show on Thursday and there’s no mention of an injury in the recap. Also curious is Hector Garza apparently being OK to work this show when he was too hurt to work the Perros del Mal show a couple days prior (but it’s nice he’s feeling better!)

I’m not quite sure why Texano is friends with Konnan, when Consejo was very specifically against everyone else and only forced to team with others them by decree. Konnan sure seems to be the brains behind every rudo faction at the same time. Perhaps this is explained on a vignette that I haven’t seen yet (though it wouldn’t hurt AAA to bring up these skits elsewhere.)

Next taping is 10/12, as posted earlier today. AAA has one more major show of the year, Guerra de Titanes. It usually takes place in early December. Every AAA major show has taken place on Sunday this year, so figure 12/09 or (more likely) 12/16. Maybe in Ciudad Madero, since they’ve not run TV there all year and have run major shows in the past.

Update: El Sol de San Luis Potosi estimates the attendance as “3/4ths full, 5,000 fans” That’s a lot smaller building then I had seen listed earlier this weekend (7, 500 instead of 11,000.) They also confirm the Copa Antonio Pena was Royal Rumble style, with Mesias and Daga starting out and joined by Psycho Clown, Elegido, Juvi, Tiger, Toscano, Glaidador, Texano, Metal, Alebrije, Parka, and Hector Garza in last. It’s still listed as 12 man match though that sure seems like 13 names.

AAA on Televisa #987 (04/23/2011)

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taped @ Domo de la Feria de Leon, 03/21/2011

file: here
recap: here

quite a dropkick

Aerostar & Laredo Kid vs Chris Stone & Súper Fly: We have this match, and I gif-ed the main event. I don’t know about me. Super Fly is actually a secretly strong guy who happens to do flips, and I hope he continues to show that side of himself off.

Cuervo, El Elegido, Ozz vs Alan Stone, Decnnis, Tigre Cota: I watch these shows about two weeks before I write this part. That doesn’t work out well! Anyway, Elegido’s here, and we’ll see him again in a month or so, I suppose. I like the idea of turmoil in the Milicia, I’m not sure you needed to make Konnan look dumb the first night after he elected Super Fly as leader especially since, given this is AAA, it’ll take at least until Fall for this to move forward. The usual AAA 3 act story is rush thru act 1, repeat act 2 for months, move onto act 3 only when everyone’s sick of this story.

Espíritu, Joe Lider, La Parka vs Charly Manson, Cibernético, Escoria: For the time they spent on Cibernetico cutting up Parka’s gear (which did not matter at all here), maybe they could’ve found some to show Escoria concerned about facing ex-teammate Espiritu before the match? Especially since they’ve not really made an issue in other matches.

Tapatios vs Bala/Dragon, Panther vs Casas, AAA rain out, DTU

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CMLL (SUN) 04/17/2011 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Disturbio & Mortiz b Freesbe & Principe
Mortiz replaced Semental
2) Dragon Lee DQ Rayo Tapatío II, Rayo Tapatío I, Hombre Bala Jr., Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor, Súper Comando, Super Halcon Jr., Enrique Vera Jr., Artillero[cibernetico]
Eliminations where Artillero (Halcon), Vera (Comando), Halcon (Inquisidor), Comando (Signo), Inquisidor (Bala), Signo (Rayo II). That left the Tapatios vs Dragon Lee & Hombre Bala, the core of htis feud. Rayo I beat Bala, but Dragon Lee defeated Rayo I and was enroute to beating Rayo II again when Rayo I ran back in for the DQ. Bala made the save.
3) Magnus b Ángel de Plata [Forjando un Idolo]
Magnus (3) defeated Angel de Plata (0) with a la de a caballo. Maybe Magnus is just a tribute wrestler?
4) Pólvora b Fuego [Forjando un Idolo]
Counter dropkick for Polvora (3) over Fuego (0)
5) Delta, Toscano, Valiente b Felino, Misterioso II, Shigeo Okumura
6) Blue Panther, La Sombra, Strong Man DQ Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Volador Jr.
Niebla did appear. Negro Casas fouled Blue Panther, and they made hair vs hair challenges.

Group Delta kicks off cycle 2 of the Forjando un Idolo match, with the winners (Polvora/Magnus) and the losers (Angel de Plata/Fuego) facing off. 6 points is probably enough to get you thru, and 0 points is probably end to end your hopes.

DTU (SAT) 04/16/2011 Arena Lopez Mateos [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Estrellas del Ring]
1) Kalek b Joystick, Garra de Aguila, Guerrero Extremo, Arana de Plata Jr.
2) Chica Tormenta b Shitara, Megan, Lily Fighter, Princesa Egipcia [#1 Contenders, Reina De Reinas]
Keira was bumped out of this match for previously unmentioned Princesa Egipico. Chica Tormenta beat Lily Fighter to advance.
3) Keira b Vanely, Yuki Star, Lolita, Vaquerita, Ashley [#1 Contenders, Reina De Reinas]
Keira ended up added to this match, and beat Lolita to advance.
4) Sadico & Yakuza b Aeroboy & Samuray del Sol and Pequeno Cobra & Pesdailla and Black Fire & Ciclope
Black Fire was Ciclope’s unnamed partner, and Pequeno Cobra took his place as Pesadilla’s partner. Story of the match was Samuray del Sol going for a dive, not being caught by anyone, and landed very badly. He was quickly stretchered out and taken to the hospital, and there’s been no update as far as I’ve seen. Yakuza & Sadico beat Pequeno Cobra & Pesadilla.
5) Trauma I & Trauma II b Dark Dragon & Fenix (AAA)
The Trauma’s edecan got to do a strip tease.
6) Mari Apache b Keira, Chica Tormenta [Reina De Reinas]
Mari retained her title.
7) Zumbi b Hormiga, Daga, Flamita
Zumbi eliminated Hormiga, Flamita & Daga beat Zumbi, and Daga beat Zumbi to take it
8)  Violento Jack b Drastik Boy, Chessman, Paranoiko
Chessman had the match won, but put Violento Jack on top of Drastik Boy to give him the win. This was better explained when Konnan appeared. Konnan took the rare opportunity to talk, mentioning how he and Halloween and Damian were hardcore a decade ago, and he had bloody battles with Perro Sr. & Cien Caras, so DTU doesn’t impress him. Crazy Boy came out to defend DTU. Violento Jack was recruited to the Milicia (or maybe just to represent them here), and Joe Lider vs Chessman for the DTU title was agreed upon.

Black Terry Jr. has video of Traumas vs Fenix & Dark Dragon.

Tonight’s AAA taping in Pachuca was rained out. After about an hour of waiting for the rain to stop, the AAA tecnicos came out and Joaquin Roldan announced the show would not happen tonight but instead be postponed on Sunday. (Which means it’ll still be airing on Sunday, if all goes OK.) Konnan led out the rudos to have a brief argument and shove down Joaquin.

I can’t think of a past occasion where this has happened to them, but they run so many of their TV tapings outside (probably more than all the other major companies in the world combined) that it must’ve happened before.

Perro Aguayo will be undergoing treatment for at least a year following the tumor removal, but there’s still no word if it’s cancerous. It’s also unclear if that year of treatment will mean he’s out for a year or will be able to return during it.

Psycho Circus won at Guerra de Promociones.

Forjando un Idolo matches

Supreme and BC Killer claim they only were paid half of what they were promised for the GLC show a couple weekends ago. Promoter only gave them that half up front, but promised the other half the next day, when he would take them to the airport. Next day: No money, no ride. This is the same promoter who was falsely advertising Matt Cross & Necro Butcher, but did some how find the time to update his promotion’s title history on the luchawiki the next day. Maybe that’s why he missed driving those guys to the airport! Priorities, you know.

I’m a big behind on my podcast listening, so I’ve just gotten to Sean Waltman’s (X-Pac) interivew on Figure Four Daily. Bryan was comparing post-Vince McMahon WWE to post-AAA Antonio Pena.

On parallels: “Uhh, Boy, you know what, I guess a little bit, but Bryan, if you were there like I was, you’d see it’s not nearly the same AAA as it used to be, buddy. Uh, um, I just have to tell you that Dorian Roldan is NO – and not even close and never will be an Antonio Pena. Uh, and, he’s got a lot to learn, and he’s kind of a spoiled little shit, and uh, I’m sure he’s going to love it when he hears I called him that, but that’s what he is. And he doesn’t respect his talent, and they exploit the living shit out of their talent, and, uh, and, um, they, you know – good thing they have people like Moody Jack Melendez there, who help write TV, and Konnan is, his body is really broken down now but he still, uh, very very intellgent mind for wrestling, and uh, it’s just that – I see, I see WWE being, coming out, coming out of the other end of Vince being gone in a little better shape than AAA.”

Waltman says he feels CMLL was “in the Stone Age” when he was going to work for them, and figured Vince McMahon would end up owning Arena Mexico. Waltman notes Paco Alonso is wealthy without CMLL and they make money just selling the parking places during the week. He figures either AAA or CMLL might be a development territory. Waltman notes the fans are much more patrotic, and their tickets are much more affordable than WWE.

Waltman calls AAA essentially an indy promotion with a TV contract, and say they’d be done with it. On if he’d ever work with AAA again: “I’m not saying I would never do anything with them again, but they did – they didn’t live up to one, one fricking term of our agreement. And I went back and like no-showed Paco Alonso’s 75th Anniversary show for them, because I made this agreement with them, and they didn’t live up to it. You can’t trust them as far as you can throw them, and that’s the truth.”

Waltman says he wasn’t feeling CMLL – he had short notice on them wanting a singles match, and they weren’t interested any of his ideas. “They had great wrestlers, just a few decent angles would’ve made a hell of a difference in that company.”

Waltman later singles out Zorro & Silver King as good wrestlers and complains about the lack of the psychology and working the right side of the body.

(I do take requests!)

SuperLuchas #410 has Mil Mascaras and Ryusuke Taguchi on the cover. Also, an interview with Hijo del Solitario, who explains the problem with CMLL is they have guys like Dragon Rojo on top and not guys like Hijo del Solitario (“has the experience of an Atlantis or a Mil Mascaras.”) Hijo del Solitario says, if his dad was a 10, he’s a 7. Must be a logarithmic scale. This is all to build up a mask match with El Santo.

Luchas 2000 #566 has Perro Aguayo Jr. on the cover.

LuchaWorld has #10-1 on the Luchaworld 2010 countdown, and KrisZ’s news update.

Links

Lineups

CMLL (TUE) 04/19/2011 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Metal vs Evola
2) Enrique Vera Jr. & Super Halcon Jr. vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
3) Ángel de Oro, Dragon Lee, Magnus vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Ráfaga, Skándalo
4) Hijo del Fantasma, Strong Man, Toscano vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
5) Máximo vs Volador Jr.

I have no idea how they got there, but that’s a unique main event. Gen11 guys start turning up here this week.

CMLL (SUN) 04/24/2011 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Meteoro vs Relampago
2) Hierro & Höruz vs Bobby Zavala & León Blanco
3) Metatrón & Starman vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
4) Fuego, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Shigeo Okumura, Skándalo
5) Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara, Valiente vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hirooki Goto, Último Guerrero

Hope Goto and the Guerreros can get along.

First Relampago/Relampago Azul match here since November. Some of the guys who disappeared last fall (around the time Gran Cochisse was let go) seem to be trickling back in openers here. They also just could’ve been bumped out because CMLL has been sending more DF guys here.

07/15 AAA TV Results (TripleMania)

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Previous: 06/17, 07/01, 07/06

AAA TV (SUN) 07/15 Toreo de Cuatro Caminos
1) Alfa, Casandro, Fabi Apache, Mini Abismo Negro b Cinthia Moreno, Octagoncito, Oriental, Pimpinela Escarlata
2) Gran Apache & Laredo Kid b Super Calo & Super Fly [losers advance, pi]
3) Crazy Boy & Joe Lider b Cuervo & Ozz [AAA TAG]
4) Juventud Guerrera b Fuerza Guerrera [street]
5) Super Fly b Super Calo [mask]
6) Alberije, El Elegido, Super Porky b Alan Stone, Scorpio Jr., Zumbido
7) Head Hunter I, Rikishi, Ron Killings, Sabu b La Parka Jr., Latin Lover, the Animal, Zorro
8) Kenzo Suzuki L Cibernetico, Chessman, Charly Manson, Mesias, X-Pac [cage, hair]

Air Date
Mex: 07/22 – this was a 5 hour show live, so I still think there’s a possibility they split it.
US: 08/11

The following is cribbing heavily from Medio Tempo‘s report, because they’ve got the only detailed account I’ve seen. I’ve bolded a couple of changes I’ve noticed from early reports. You can read prior TripleMania coverage (live, and day after) elsewhere on this webpage.

Charly Manson exited the cage first, followed by X-Pac. X-Pac and Konnan teamed up to lay out Charly on the outside, and set up a whole bunch of tables. Mesias started to escape, Chessman went after him, and that’s when Chessman took the huge bump off the cage to the tables. This left Kenzo and Cibernetico inside. Mesias tried to help by blowing fire at Cibernetico, but Kenzo got it instead, and that lead to the pin.

Konnan got in a cheap shot on Zorro which lead to the Rikishi pin in the semimain. It sounds like Zorro being stretchered out was storyline (selling the Bonzai Drop) while Parka being stretchered out might or might not have been (landed on his bad shoulder while taking a bump for a Sabu move.)

Sangre Chicana and Octagon did work as seconds in the Guerrera v Guerrera battle. Tirantes was the ref, so you can figure how this went early. Octagon did indeed get tied to the ropes to prevent him from helping, and the comeback started with Pepe Casas coming out to cut him free. Somehow in the battle, Sangre Chicana was locked in ambulance to prevent him from interfering, and Juvi pinned Fuerza with Pepe Casas counting. Fuerza offered a handshake post match, but Juvi refused and walked off with Octagon. Juvi should totally decide to be Octagon Jr. now.

In the notLadder match, Extreme Tiger (second) set up Scoria (second) on a table on the floor and went to the top rope to put him thru, but Ozz shoved Extreme Tiger off, and Tiger hit the floor. The table remained unbroken, so Cuervo set up Lider on the table and did hit his dive thru the table, but Lider and Cuervo were hurt in the process. Crazy Boy overcame took out Escoira and Ozz, winning with a (wait for it) chair assisted flying move to Mexican Powers win the tag titles.

Box Y Lucha?/unmasked Super Calo

The Relevos Incredible matchup ended up being Gran Apache & Laredo Kid vs Super Fly & Super Calo, so it was change of plans. Apache & Calo opted to work it like they were tag partners early on, beating down the Fuerza Aerea duo. Somewhere in here, Laredo Kid missed a dive on Calo, but was all right (relatively.) Like recent AAA tag matches, this was one fall to a finish (not elimination style), so when Apache beat Super Fly, it was over.

The Super Fly vs Super Calo match was held after the ladder match and the Guerreras match. Super Calo was revealed to be Rafael Garcia of DF, 15 year wrestler. They did a bit with Alan Stone consoling him to set up the new alliance.

Alebrije & Cuije beat Scorpio Jr. & Guaptio with planchas to win that match.

Alfa beat Oriental with a Dragon Suplex to win the opener. Oriental was KOed in the process.

Lita performed after the show. Ricky Marvin was announced as coming in September.

Announced Future Tapings
– 07/16 Leon
– 07/23 Madero
– 08/03 Queretaro

05/26 AAA TV Taping Lineup (Minatitlan, Veracruz)

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Previous: 05/06, 05/12, 05/20

AAA TV (SAT) 05/26 Centro de Convenciones, Minatitlan, Veracruz
1) Canibal, Nemesis AAA, Nygma vs Payaso Carrona, Payaso Miedo, Payaso Terror
2) Cinthia Moreno, Estrellita, Sexi Star vs Fabi Apache, La Diabolica, Rossy Moreno
3) Laredo Kid & Super Fly vs Apache & Super Calo
4) Crazy Boy, Joe Lider, Psicosis II vs ?, Cuervo, Ozz
5) Alebrije, Charly Manson, Elegido, Juventud Guerrera vs Antifaz, Fuerza Guerrera, Histeria, Mr. Niebla
6) Chessman, Cibernetico, Zorro vs Abismo Negro, El Mesias, Kenzo Suzuki

Air Date
Mex: 06/03
US: 06/23

I would say there’s a 99.999% chance the mystery man teaming with the Sect is Extreme Tiger, making his debut. I think we’re much more likely to be headed towards Crazy Boy and Joe Lider completing a title swap and getting the tag team titles rather than adding people to Mexican Powers. If that’s the plan, you can work backwards and see Psicosis II wasn’t needed for the group longer, and Juvi can just wander off his own way (as he tends to do.) Obviously, this match will go back for the MPs.

That’s quite the random collection of tecnicos in the semifinal. Elsewhere, we’re just ticking along as usual – I think we already fulfilled our plot developments for this month.

Next Taping
– 05/30 San Luis Potosi

Have they announced anything for June yet?