2023 Lucha Libre Win/Loss Records and other related luchadb stats

(the end of 2023 Tapatia awards voting is closing in a few days, vote now)

This post is the annual summary of hundreds of hours of work building and maintaining a database of every known Mexico and lucha libre event in the past year. You can see the complete win/loss records and other data on this Google Sheet. As always, these numbers will change slightly due to corrections, duplications, and video channels posting of shows six months after they take place.

Shows for each year, over the last ten. (Number in parenthesis indicates the change since I ran these numbers a year ago – ‘new’ shows discovered or duplicates removed.)

Year Count (last ten years)
2014 5591 (+2)
2015 6424
2016 7117
2017 6108
2018 6344
2019 6922
2020 2161
2021 4001 (+1)
2022 6162 (+24)
2023 6135

It’s good to run the numbers. If you had asked me, I would’ve said for sure I had significantly fewer posters from 2023 compared to 2022. Alfredo moved on from LuchaWorld and there were always at least a dozen posters he’d find a week that I wouldn’t. I did enough tracking during the year where I could identify which venues went missing and tracked down some of them. Some of the increase was also just more shows running the farther we’re out from COVID; January 2022 was a quiet month due to outbreaks and there wasn’t anything similar in 2023. At any rate, it’s about the same.

Events Actually Added To LuchaDB In During The Year (No Matter What Year They Happened)

2015: 11,525
2016: 9,771
2017: 8,628
2018: 9,678
2019: 7,692
2020: 5,899
2021: 12,306
2022: 10,361
2023: 9,331

That number is down and probably will be going farther down. I had bigger numbers in the years where I was mowing through newspaper archives for old results, and I haven’t been able to find new sources. I am getting a few from the old Box y Luchas as they get posted, but I don’t expect I’ll have a full 3000 extra.

Most Matches

2008: Ultimo Guerrero (228)
2009: La Parka Jr. (211)
2010: Mistico (204)
2011: Último Guerrero & La Mascara (188)
2012: Último Guerrero (189)
2013: Último Guerrero (205)
2014: Atlantis (215)
2015: Atlantis (207)
2016: Atlantis (217)
2017: Último Guerrero & Psycho Clown (204)
2018: Último Guerrero (205)
2019: Caristico (223)
2020: Joe Lider (67)
2021: Psycho Clown (138)
2022: Psycho Clown (158)
2023: Mistico (195)

195 matches is a lot of matches. Again, all these stats are dependent on shows I notice enough to add to the database, and even not all shows have listed matches. It’s also dependent on what shows I decide are lucha libre mexicana, a semi-arbitrary and flawed process. Mistico returning to top is about how much he’s working, and Psycho Clown taking a little more time off.

There were 50 wrestlers were recorded as having at least 100 matches. (Stephanie Vaquer and Blue Rocket Jr. from Torreon came in at exactly 100 matches.) That’s up from 42 last year. 10 wrestlers had 150 or more matches:

196 Mistico
171 Jessy Ventura
165 Panterita/Mascara Dorada
162 Pig Destroyer
161 Volador Jr.
159 Ultimo Guerrero
158 Pig Destructor
158 Diva Salvaje
157 Atlantis Jr.
153 La Fashion

I’ve never connected the Pigs to their non-Pig gimmicks, so those numbers would be slightly higher.

Looking through all of this, my big realization is I need to automate the “Primary Name” field on this database, because I’m not really doing a great job of fixing them myself. (Hombre Bala Jr. is still Drone.)

Most Wins

2008: Blue Panther (97)
2009: Mistico (110)
2010: Mistico (128)
2011: Último Guerrero (90)
2012: Atlantis (93)
2013: La Mascara (102)
2014: Atlantis (99)
2015: Volador Jr. (113)
2016: Volador Jr. (120)
2017: Volador Jr. (120)
2018: Caristico (115)
2019: Caristico (126)
2020: Caristico (37)
2021: Mistico/Carisico (68)
2022: Mistico (83)
2023: Mistico (113)

This is where I annually note the “most” categories are usually CMLL names because CMLL runs a lot and reports six shows of results a week. Some indie shows around Mexico City turn up with results, but it’s rare we get much of any information on other shows.

Diva Salvaje, between AAA and the indies, had 48 known wins. Psycho Clown, who usually leads this among AAA wrestlers had 38.

Most Losses

2008: Averno (84)
2009: Negro Casas (86)
2010: Negro Casas (75)
2011: La Mascara (72)
2012: Último Guerrero (79)
2013: Último Guerrero (84)
2014: Último Guerrero (82)
2015: Último Guerrero (80)
2016: Último Guerrero (91)
2017: Último Guerrero (92)
2018: Último Guerrero (99)
2019: Mephisto (91)
2020: Stuka (29)
2021: Toxin (38)
2022: Volador Jr. (58)
2023: Volador Jr. (65)

Back to back “wins” for Volador Jr. is unprecedented for someone wrestling as a tecnico. He had a normal win percentage (56%), so it’s an effect of just wrestling a lot. The first non-CMLL person on the list is Hellboy, coming in at 59 losses. Jessy Ventura had 34 losses, Abismo Negro Jr. at 32.

I’ve noted here that Demonio Infernal and Fresero Jr. have had a lot of draws in the last couple of years. I may need to make a category, because it’s a hotly competed award:

Most Draws/Non-Finishes in 2023
12 Pig Destroyer
12 Pig Destructor
11 Fresero Jr.
10 Pig Pool
10 Demonio Infernal

Best Win % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Psycho Clown & Zombie Clown (100%)
2009: Psycho Circus (100%)
2010: Tondar (GDL) (100%)
2011: Mini Monster Clown (90%)
2012: Rayo de Oro (Guatemala) (97%)
2013: Tinieblas Jr. (90%)
2014: William Rock/Pequeno Violencia (92%)
2015: Súper Muñeco (93%)
2016: Huracán Ramírez (85%)
2017: Huracán Ramírez (90%)
2018: Tinieblas Jr. (91%)
2019: Microman (87%)
2020: Muerte Extrema (90%)
2021: Estrella de Jalisco I (2021) (90%)
2022: Octagón (88%)
2023: Tinieblas Jr. (93%) 

Tinieblas Jr. went 14-1, plus 26 matches where he was announced but no results was recorded. Alberto el Patron is right behind with 11-2 (and 19 unknowns.) Guadalajara’s Adrenalina went 29-6 (6 unknowns), most of that in his home arena. Micro Gemelo Diablo II went 32-9 among those full time on the CMLL roster.

This is a good point for a list of names I typed in lineups many times and almost never found out how they did:

most matches without recorded results
130: La Fashion (+23 matches w/a results)
129: Zonik of Torreon (+4)
112: Cronos of Veracruz (0 results)
106: Hellboy of Veracruz (0 results)
99: Blue Rocket of Torreon (1 result; he lost!)

Worst loss % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Carrona (0%)
2009: Espectrito (0%)
2010: Metailk II (GDL) (11%)
2011: Akron (13%)
2012: Mini Talisman (8%)
2013: Estrella De Fuego (5%)
2014: Psicosis I/Nicho el Millionario (0%)
2015: Lady Shani (5%)
2016: Nahual (Morelos) (10.53%)
2017: Pitbull I (Jalisco) & Flayer Boy (9%)
2018: Rey Muerte (Guerrero) (0%)
2019: Mije (0%)
2020: La Guerrera (CMLL) (0%)
2021: Quca (0%)
2022: Guapito (0%)
2023: Zuzu Divine, el Jabali, Gran Kenut (0%),

Zuzu Divine (0-10) is a Hidalgo-based luchadora who wrestles in Mexico City a bit and traveled internationally in 2023. She had 34 unknown matches so she surely won at some point. Jabali & Kenut are Arena Coliseo Guadalajara locals, though more the types that appear more often on the bonus Sunday shows.

Fuerza Guerrera went 2-19 (19 unknown) among people who spent any time on the main CMLL roster. Zacarias went 4-18 among those who are regulars. WilliemMack went 3-10 and Parka Negra went 6-18, not sure which of them better counts as an AAA regular.

top 10 states with the most events

738 Estado de México
604 Coahuila
521 Distrito Federal
519 Jalisco
509 Puebla
484 Veracruz
347 Chihuahua
316 Tamaulipas
290 Hidalgo
272 Nuevo León

About the same as 2022. Jalisco and CDMX change spots from last year. Veracruz & Puebla the same. Chihuahua is way up, Nuevo Leon returned to it’s pre-COVID numbers and Texas is way down. I think that might mean more Texas as a personal blind spot more than the scene changing.

Events by arena

159 Arena México
98 Arena Naucalpan
84 Arena México Rayos de Plata, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí
74 Arena Roberto Paz, Guadalajara, Jalisco
68 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
67 Arena Olimpico Laguna, Gomez Palacio, Durango
62 Arena Aficion
59 Arena San Francisco, Tultepec, Estado de México
58 Arena Mezquital, Apodaca, Nuevo Leon
56 Deportivo 11 de Julio, Pachuca, Hidalgo

Arena Rayos de Plata was one of those arenas that Alfredo was usually finding. I tracked down their Facebook in the fall and discovered they’d actually started running twice a week. The Monterrey Commission has backed off some of its control of lucha libre in that city, but many shows that might have been at Arena Femenil or elsewhere seem to have migrated to Arena Mezquital.

Most Matches on AAA TV Tapings

15 Sam Adonis
15 Octagon Jr.
14 Hijo del Vikingo
14 Negro Casas
14 Psycho Clown

AAA is running fewer TV tapings, so there are fewer TV matches to be had. Taurus wrestled 21 matches in 2022 (the most), and 11 in 2023.

Most Matches in CMLL-owned buildings (Arena Mexico/Coliseo/Guadalajara/Puebla)

135 Volador Jr.
124 Mistico
119 Panterita del Ring Jr./Mascara Dorada
109 Titan
109 Angel de Oro

Titan getting that high even with some Japanese work is a busy man. La Jarochita looks to be top woman this year at 68 matches. Pierrothito had 50 matches among the minis. Micro Gemelo Diablo is top Micro at 38 matches. All are missing a few matches from unadvertised private shows.

The difference in exposure between these two major promotions is immense.

Most Arena Naucalpan matches

80 Hellboy
65 Spider Fly
59 Hijo de Canis Lupus
56 Aguila Roja
55 Noisy Boy

Tonalli is right behind at 51 despite going to CMLL for a moment. Puma de Oro is behind him at 46 despite quitting for a while

Most Friday night Arena Mexico appearances

39 Místico
38 Volador Jr.
31 Templario
31 Ángel de Oro
30 Titán

La Jarochita appeared to most of the women at 24. Pierrothito had 13 appearances. None of the micros made more than 2 appearances wrestling. Mije and Zacarias probably made the most Friday night appearances if you count standing in the corner.

 

2022 Lucha Libre Win/Loss Records and other related luchadb stats

(the end of 2022 Tapatia awards voting is closing in a few days, vote now)

This post is the annual summary of hundreds of hours of work building and maintaining a database of every known Mexico and lucha libre event in the past year. You can find the typical list of disclaimers at the end of this post and can see the complete win/loss records and other data on this Google Sheet.

This is the first “full year” of lucha libre in 2019, or at least 95% of one. CMLL was closed for a short span in January 2022. Other indie venues were slow to return following the pandemic or just didn’t come back and will never be back. I expect the total normal of shows to rise slightly in 2023, assuming I continue to enter in dozens of new lineups each week. I have, as of this paragraph, 3,670 videos to sort through and potentially add to the luchadb. I’ll probably find a few more shows in there, and others may turn up during the next few months. For now, these are the numbers I’ve got.

Shows for each year, over the last ten. (Number in parenthesis indicates the change since I ran these numbers a year ago – ‘new’ shows discovered or duplicates removed.)

Year Count
2013 2879
2014 5589
2015 6424
2016 7117
2017 6108
2018 6344 (-2)
2019 6922
2020 2161 (-1)
2021 4000 (+7)
2022 6138

Not quite up to 2019 form, but not far off from previous years. Also, a lot less deep dives into Facebook to put together fuller lists of shows for weekly buildings.

Events Actually Added To LuchaDB In During The Year (No Matter What Year They Happened)

2015: 11,532
2016: 9,771
2017: 8,629
2018: 9,680
2019: 7,694
2020: 5,903
2021: 12,315
2022: 10,372

10,372 is a lot of data entry. Maybe I should get into that.

Most Matches

2008: Ultimo Guerrero (228)
2009: La Parka Jr. (211)
2010: Mistico (204)
2011: Último Guerrero & La Mascara (188)
2012: Último Guerrero (189)
2013: Último Guerrero (205)
2014: Atlantis (215)
2015: Atlantis (207)
2016: Atlantis (217)
2017: Último Guerrero & Psycho Clown (204)
2018: Último Guerrero (205)
2019: Caristico (223)
2020: Joe Lider (67)
2021: Psycho Clown (138)
2022: Psycho Clown (158)

I omit GCW and most other US indies, so it’s possible Psycho Clown is probably into the 160s. Still lower numbers than in years past. AAA wasn’t running spot shows early in the year, and CMLL really still isn’t.

There were 44 wrestlers with at least 100 matches this year, up from 10 the year prior. 8 wrestlers had as much as Psycho Clown did last year

158 Psycho Clown
157 Último Guerrero
153 Diva Salvaje
152 Volador Jr.
150 Mistico
145 Jessy Ventura
140 Abismo Negro Jr.
138 Atlantis Jr.

Most Wins

2008: Blue Panther (97)
2009: Mistico (110)
2010: Mistico (128)
2011: Último Guerrero (90)
2012: Atlantis (93)
2013: La Mascara (102)
2014: Atlantis (99)
2015: Volador Jr. (113)
2016: Volador Jr. (120)
2017: Volador Jr. (120)
2018: Caristico (115)
2019: Caristico (126)
2020: Caristico (37)
2021: Mistico/Carisico (68)
2022: Mistico (83)

This is where I annually note a lot of the “most” categories are CMLL names because CMLL runs a lot and reports six shows of results a week. Most indie shows get no results. (Some get videos, but my ambition to figure out unreported results for most indie shows via watching videos is very low; the finishes just don’t matter.) The winner of this is generally whoever is the top tecnico in CMLL, which continues to be Mistico.

Psycho Clown had the most wins of an AAA wrestler at 41.

Most Losses

2008: Averno (84)
2009: Negro Casas (86)
2010: Negro Casas (75)
2011: La Mascara (72)
2012: Último Guerrero (79)
2013: Último Guerrero (84)
2014: Último Guerrero (82)
2015: Último Guerrero (80)
2016: Último Guerrero (91)
2017: Último Guerrero (92)
2018: Último Guerrero (99)
2019: Mephisto (91)
2020: Stuka (29)
2021: Toxin (38)
2022: Volador Jr. (58)

This is usually a rudo award, so it’s strange to see Volador Jr. up there. He simply wrestled a lot, and rarely outside of CMLL, so he has a lot of reported losses. (He also had a 57% winning percentage.) The next five names on the list are CMLL rudos, followed strangely by IWRG’s Noisy Boy with 46 losses. Abismo Negro Jr. clocks in at 39 losses, but he’s also wrestling a lot in IWRG. Sexy Star II is the highest of people who just wrestled in AAA at 31.

Last year, I noted that Demonio Infernal and Fresero Jr. had a high amount of draws – a lot of their matches go to no finishes because neither side likes to lose, and they believe their fans are OK with not getting an outcome. They had a lot of draws in 2022 as well – Fresero 7, Demonio 5. They were joined by Guadalajara’s Gallo at 7 draws; he and Rayman battled as equals prior to their mask match.

Best Win % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Psycho Clown & Zombie Clown (100%)
2009: Psycho Circus (100%)
2010: Tondar (GDL) (100%)
2011: Mini Monster Clown (90%)
2012: Rayo de Oro (Guatemala) (97%)
2013: Tinieblas Jr. (90%)
2014: William Rock/Pequeno Violencia (92%)
2015: Súper Muñeco (93%)
2016: Huracán Ramírez (85%)
2017: Huracán Ramírez (90%)
2018: Tinieblas Jr. (91%)
2019: Microman (87%)
2020: Muerte Extrema (90%)
2021: Estrella de Jalisco I (2021) (90%)
2022: Octagón (88%)

Octagon went 16-2 in known matches (and had 19 matches with no recorded results.) Micro Gemelo Diablo II went 25-5 in CMLL., while Micro Gemelo Diablo I is 26-9; he gets credit for matches where CMLL doesn’t list a number. Sanson went 19-6 as the best of the full-time AAA guys.

This is a good place to mention that not every wrestler gets tracked in the database. It’s mostly to prevent duplicates and to avoid permanent entries for people who are quickly gone. Generally, I won’t start to add a new wrestler to database until a name turns up 100 times, mostly because it’s a nice big round number. I’ll do it quicker if it’s a name in a notable promotion, but even people in Guadalajara may have to wait until they show up 20 times. These are very arbitally lines.

Worst loss % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Carrona (0%)
2009: Espectrito (0%)
2010: Metailk II (GDL) (11%)
2011: Akron (13%)
2012: Mini Talisman (8%)
2013: Estrella De Fuego (5%)
2014: Psicosis I/Nicho el Millionario (0%)
2015: Lady Shani (5%)
2016: Nahual (Morelos) (10.53%)
2017: Pitbull I (Jalisco) & Flayer Boy (9%)
2018: Rey Muerte (Guerrero) (0%)
2019: Mije (0%)
2020: La Guerrera (CMLL) (0%)
2021: Quca (0%)
2022: Guapito (0%)

Guapito went 0-11 in recorded results, mostly with Robles. If we raise the bar to 25 results, Parka Negra’s 2-25 recorded (a 7% winning percentage) puts him on ‘top’ of the list. Polvora had the worst luck of the CMLL regulars, with a 10-33 record for a 23% percentage.

top 10 states with the most events

Estado de México 926
Coahuila 712
Jalisco 589
Distrito Federal 564
Veracruz 446
Puebla 387
Tamaulipas 313
Hidalgo 211
Texas 160
Chihuahua 157

These numbers are always going to have a Mexico City/Mexico State bias because those shows get covered more often, so Coahuila and Jalisco approaching those numbers just tell how much wrestling there was in those areas. Coahuila has a very active scene in Torreon (/Gomez Palacio) and a separate group in Saltillo and Monclova.

Nuevo Leon/Monterrey shows:
2018: 323 events
2019: 258 events
2020: 96 events
2021: 190 events
2022: 147 events

The policies the Monterrey lucha libre commission have applied in the last year have been nearly as successful at reducing lucha libre in the entire state as COVID itself.

Events by arena

153 Arena México
98 Arena Naucalpan
83 Arena 23 de Junio, Nicolás Romero, Estado de Méxic0
70 Arena Roberto Paz, Guadalajara, Jalisco
63 Arena Aficion
62 Arena Olimpico Laguna, Gomez Palacio, Durango
60 Arena Colon, Torreón, Coahuila
57 Coliseo Fraternidad, Veracruz, Veracruz
56 Arena GDL, Guadalajara, Jalisco
56 Arena Lopez Mateos

Arena 23 de Junio is a tiny Coliseo Coacalco arena that sometimes will run a free noon show on Sundays before a Sunday show (but whose posters are hard to track down some weeks.) Arena Roberto Paz is a rare arena that runs twice a week. I have no idea how Arena Aficion stays in business, and I may be missing a few of those shows since they don’t always put out posters. The other ones are weekly venues that sneak in an extra show or two at times.

Most Matches on AAA TV Tapings

21 Taurus
19 Hijo del Vikingo
19 Pagano
18 Sexy Star II
17 Mr. Iguana/Nino Hamburguesa/Laredo Kid

Taurus and Vikingo are up top because we knew when their Marvel Lucha Libre characters (and so they have them marked down as working twice on some tapings.) Others were less clear.

Most Matches in CMLL-owned buildings (Arena Mexico/Coliseo/Guadalajara/Puebla)

136 Volador Jr.
110 Soberano Jr.
105 Gran Guerrero
101 Último Guerrero
100 Atlantis Jr.

Negro Casas wrestled 84 matches. Reyna Isis wrestled the most matches for women at 72. Mercurio had 57 to lead the minis, Micro Gemelo Diablo I had 37 among the micros.

Most Arena Naucalpan matches

68 Spider Fly
62 Puma de Oro
60 Tonalli
60 Hell Boy
60 Aster Boy
60 Noisy Boy

It’s a noticeable drop off from those four to Cerbero Negro and Dick Angelo at 45, and no one else has more than 40.

Most Friday night Arena Mexico appearances

37 Volador Jr.
31 Soberano Jr.
30 Último Guerrero
28 Titán/Místico/Atlantis Jr.

The people who had the highest percentage of their CMLL matches take place on Friday Arena Mexico shows were all women. 47% of Avispa Dorada’s CMLL matches were on Friday Arena Mexico shows. Dalys has 42% of her CMLL matches on CMLL’s biggest show of the week, and then it’s Isis, Vaquer, Sugehit, Silueta, and Jarochita before the first man (Templario.) CMLL’s both featured women more and prioritized their better wrestlers on Fridays, which means it’s a small group of women who appear a lot. Dalys’ departure means there are about 22 Friday night appearances that’ll go to others. There are 21 Negro Casas appearances to replace.

Aéreo, Pequeño Polvora, Fantasy and the Dr. Karontes did not appear on a Friday night Arena Mexico show in 2022.

Zanodkan Jr. (34) had the most Tuesday Arena Coliseo Guadalajara matches. Averno was the top among the ‘regular’ CMLL roster, though his usage indicates there was some unusual deal there: he appeared more often in Guadalajara than Friday Arena Mexico matches.

Stigma (33) appeared the most in Arena Puebla, followed by Volador Jr. and 26. Rey Bucanero & Terrible tied with most Tuesday Arena Mexico matches at 21. Volador wrestled the most on Saturday Arena Coliseo shows at 23. Inquisidor strangely had the most Sunday Arena Mexico matches at 25.

1985 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

1985-06-27 (El Siglo de Torreon)

I added 1985 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio, to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here.

This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. It’s one of the few Mexican newspaper archives available online, and the archives aren’t hard to access. I did the usual keyword search for articles and looked thru the sports section every Thursday and Sunday for extra posters. I’m sure I missed a few, but it’s as complete as I get it. I’ve done these in the distant past and stopped mentioning with a post because there didn’t seem to be much interest, but I’ve come around to realizing this is a lot of work so I owe myself a post out of it, and not much interest in what I’m writing hasn’t really stopped me from writing anything else

This is where I’m at in this project

1940-1964 not started
1965-1967 kind of in the db?
1969-1979 not started
1980-1985 FINISHED
1986-1989 archive search done, need to be typed up
1990-1998 not done
1999-2005 FINISHED
2006-2006 weirdly not done
2010-2017 FINISHED

My plan was to finish typing up 86-89 and then alternate back to magazine work. But I’ve been thinking about Condor Dorado (Ultimo Guerrero) debuts in 1990 and it’d be cool to have some of those lineups found, so maybe I’ll change. Typing up the four years I’ve got done is going to take some time either way.

The 1985 ones generally follow the booking patterns ones from previous years: local feuds lead to apuesta matches when they lead anywhere, and title matches are almost non-existent. There’s a trios tournament that’s starts and ends without making any sense, so it’s normal.

3 bits from the 1985 lineups

  • The affiliations to the various Sunday arenas seem to change a little bit over time, but the Thursday Arena Olimpico Laguna is solidly with UWA/LLI/El Toreo. Maybe Dr. Wagner came up thru there and was more willing to go back, but it’s still surprising to see him and Solitario around their peak considering how stars almost never come up there now. Did they pay better then? Was getting there cheaper/easier? Did they just lose the booking connection when UWA went away? I dunno.
  • They’re well into Pantera del Ring being an exciting youngster who’s moving up the cards and it’s impossible to reconcile this with current day Ephesto. I know they are the same people but I’m not sure I believe it. He’s often partners with a guy named Megatron, who’s later end up feuding with him for years.
  • Business is good enough to have three local arenas running on most weekends, though which arenas are running various greatly

1980-1984 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I’ve added lineups (and very limited results) for lineups from 1980 to 1984 from the El Siglo de Torreon archive. (If you follow the @lucharobot, this is what you saw earlier this week.) Most of the shows are from Gomez Palacio or Torreon. It’s not complete, because there are some days which are missing and we’re only limited to the shows which are advertised in the paper. An article in 1982 mentions Gran Markus having an incident with a 12 year old at Arena Olimpico Laguna, but that’s the only indication that year the arena exists. Still, it’s a few hundred more events added and some neat designs as they get into 1984.

If you’re someone who collects these lineups, I’ve broken them down by year. The files include the graphical cards when I could find them, which should make it easier to check my woeful spelling.

This timespan starts out with one show a week with almost all locals at the bull ring for 1980 thru 1982. That promotions either stops advertising or falls apart by the early 1983, and there’s months with no mention of lucha in the paper until Arena Olimpico Laguna (which dates back into the 60s) starts to advertise. 18 months later, there appears to be four distinct promotions all advertising: at the bullring (having come back from the dead), at AOL, at the Auditorium, and at the Palacio de los Deportes. Those locations are still in use today.

The AOL building is Promociones del Norte/UWA affiliated. The Norte tag team titles are the main titles in the building and the title pattern seems to make sense (and makes me wonder if those brand of titles are historically underrated because there’s enough research on them.) Negro Casas & Black Terry are among the UWA young wrestlers who wrestle in AOL. The Auditorio & Palacio also bring in Mexico City talent, but it’s more unaffiliated guys; Tinieblas is defending the AWWA title as big belt. It’s not until the Plaza de Toros promotion returns that EMLL guys have any regular presence (though some do come thru AOL.)

Some random stories I found thru

I plan on continuing on these later, because I got some interesting stuff out of it, I know more is coming as I get later in the 80s, and it was just more time consuming than difficult. However, the site has put up a paywall (or finally gotten the old paywall to actually work), it doesn’t make sense for me to pay for access until I’ve got a full month to work at it, and I probably won’t have that for the near future. I’ll try to get back at this in 2017.

1945-1949 Jalisco lineups added to luchadb

Most of them have been added to the event listings for a few weeks, but the last few stragglers were up yesterday. They’re 95% lineups with some scattered results.

If you’re running a results archive or just want to look at a very long list of results, you can find them in a text file here. The previous archive is here; they now cover posters listed in El Informador from 1945 to 1986 when they stopped printing them. There is only scattered info in early 1945 and there may not be much left before then, but I’ll take a look.

The Occidente/Jalisco title histories on the luchawiki are also updated, and are probably as complete they’re going to get without another local archive turning up.