Tag: Charly Manson

AAA Rey de Reyes (03/18/2011)

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taped @ Plaza de Toros Monumental Aguascalientes, 03/18/2011

recap: here
file: here (via WarriorsX2000)

professionalism

I’ve got links to the TV versions of the two matches that have aired, but the PPVs are complete. WarriorX2000 has them up, though they may be in his PPV section.

Gran Apache, Mari Apache, Octagoncito, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Hijo de Tirantes, Mini Histeria, Sexy Star, Yuriko: Told the Apache/Tirantes story well, everyone else played their part. Tirantes took the loss but still made the eventually singles match meaningful.

Jack Evans, Joe Lider, La Parka, Nicho el Millionario vs Billy el Malo, Cibernético, Escoria, Nygma: Usually bit of slight of hand to allow Cibernetico to wrestle about 1 minute of a 19 minute match. Not sure if Parka is actually the guy in better shape in the feud (doubtful) or if Cibernetico’s just decided the best thing for this feud is for him to not have to sell much (likely). The whole bit with the fire was reckless but unsurprising.

Dr. Wagner Jr., Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Damián 666, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Halloween, Super Crazy: Again, the same hardcore match they’ve been doing nearly weekly, with a few ‘special’ spots for shock value. (Shocked the cameraman, who missed the table being on fire right in front of him.) If this is end for Perro Jr. for now, he goes out with a clean (as they go here) win over Dr. Wagner; they were clearly building both Wagner/Perro and Perros/Clowns (for the masks) for future matches, and at least one of those is now off.

Zorro vs Charly Manson for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship: Horrid. Back at Guerra de Titanes, I was confused as to why they didn’t let Dr. Wagner and Zorro have any semblance of a match without constant interference. They had much less interference (at least during most of the match) and let these two guys work. These two were just very bad at it. Charly tried, but there’s only so much Charly can do. Zorro – I have no idea what the actual deal with Zorro here was, but he performed a lot like a guy in no condition to perform. The Mr. Aguila/Rey Bucanero match had a crowd that came in only caring about Tirantes and the two guys weren’t good enough to get them when Tirantes left. This crowd was totally willing to get into Zorro & Charly, and that crowd was quiet by midway thru.

Tiger wins

Electroshock vs Heavy Metal: announced as a bull terrier match, but it turned out to just be a three falls match. And a three falls match where the first two falls were relatively pointless, so who knows. I think they had a lot of ideas, but did not do the best job of putting them together in a coherent manner (Like: Pepe Casas gets bumped at the end – and then it changes absolutely nothing.) There was a story they were telling with the guitars, but sometimes it was a lethal match ender, and sometimes it was just a bit at the start of matches. This was okay, but didn’t feel like the best match in the series. Seemed like this should’ve built to Metal & Electroshock teaming up from here on out, but Metal might have driven himself out of that spot.

Extreme Tiger vs El Mesías, LA Park, Carlito for the Rey de Reyes Tournament: Piero is pretty patient in starting his countout. The big bump was not big by Mesias crowd brawling standards, but the brawl was good enough to make up for it, and they gave Carlito and Extreme Tiger enough time to get the crowd to start paying attention to them and not the fight they just saw. Tiger’s win was marginalized by Wagner walking out to the ring and essentially cutting his promo for him – TIger at least needed to say a few words, and it was a lot better when they just cut that off in the TV version. Still, if they wanted Tiger to come off as an AAA star, he should’ve beat an AAA star, rather than just a guy passing thru.

01/20: Puebla, Charly

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Waiting for full results of last night’s Puebla show to turn up too. What we do know is Sombra retained his title and Mistico challenged Sangre for a shot at his title. Sangre needs to start running and never look back, no good can come of that match.

In other news I feel like I’m missing part of: Charly Manson may OR may not be already back in AAA. There’s an interview in the latest Luchas 2000 (#454), where he said he was going to stick with AAA after all, changing his mind (and getting a better offer) after the new of his jump to Perros del Mal hit the internet. However, just last night, KrisZ noted an interview where Charly said he was going to the Perros because they’d let him work as a referee while he was rehabbing and AAA wouldn’t let hm do anything. (The Luchas 2000 article has Charly saying AAA’s doctors gave him the green light.) Something’s not adding up here.

Looking ahead, ESTO and Ovaciones preview today’s Arena Mexico card. Not as much going on compared to recent shows, even with the Panther/Mistico/Marco vs V3/Averno/Mephisto main event.

The 02/08 show in Tabasco with Cibernetico/Juvi vs Wagner/Fuerza is off. (That’s the one with the WWE Minis title on the line.) Article says Cibernetico took a booking in the US instead, but spends more time running down the card of the show that’s no longer happening than explaining the situation.

WagnerMania has recaps of el Toreo shows in Neza and Arena Lopez Mateos as well as video of the Hora Cero minis cage match.

Apaculo wrestlers Super Loco, Nemesis and Principe Vegueta are threatening to lead a sit-in protest after their promotion’s wrestling ring was kicked out of it’s building. They’d been using the building for the last three years, but the newly authority of sports in town is evicting them so they can use the building for a basketball league instead. The luchadors case seems to be that they were there first, they’re willing to move the ring (donated by AAA!) out for special occasions, there are other places to play basketball and the sports council will not work with them.

Dos de Tres January 2009 has >Abismo Negro on the cover.

Ohtani’s Jacket is not a big fan of Volador & Sombra vs Averno & Mephisto.

LuchaWorld has Robert on CMLL TV 07/21/07 and 08/11 & 08/12/07 FSE, plus KrisZ’s news update.

Charly Manson joins the Perros

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Perros del Mal announced yesterday that Charly Manson is joining the group. Box Y Lucha has a brief about it, SoloLuchas has quotes from a (tele?)conference about it with Perro Jr. There’s also a Diario Record story aruonds somewhere. Perro said they’re not sure how far Charly is along on rehab, but they’ll talk to him and announce a start date. That makes no sense, if you stop to think about it. How exactly did that conversation take place?

Charly: “Perro, I’d like to come work with you and team with Ciber-”
Perro: “Great! I’ve got to call the press and let them know!”
Charly: “Don’t you want to know when I can start?”
Perro: [has already hung up]

The other thing is, AAA was paying Charly while he was out hurt. They do that with all the injured wrestled – there was a Laredo Kid interview linked here a while back that mentioned it – and while it’s not what they get paid while they work (and quite probably not enough), it’s an income. Plus, he’s appearing on TV now and getting paid for that.

It’d be really great if the Perros could afford to do the same, but it’s inconceivable that they could afford to support someone who got hurt in another promotion and isn’t yet ready to wrestle. They’re only getting money for working shows and selling merchandise, and that money is dived up already to the people who are working. There’s still no TV deal. If they’re making so much money that everyone involved is getting all the money they want, and they have left over money to pay to people not involved, they’d be far exceeding the most optimistic projections for the company. And that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Which leaves two possibilities

1) AAA pays injured guys so little, Charly decided to just skip it and hang out with his friend Cibernetico
2) this is a(nother) worked departure from AAA to set up a big return later

With Cibernetico, I said it was a work because it looked like works I’d seen before. With Charly, I hope it’s a work, because if it’s not, it kinda says some really terrible things about how AAA (and lucha promotions in general) treat wrestlers who get hurt in their ring. Some things we probably already knew, but still depressing to see.

There’s circumstantial evidence to back up it being a work. AAA was building a Charly/Chessman match, but if Chessman’s going to be involved with the Circus, the Sect, and the Atomicos titles, then there’s no hanging storyline for Charly. If this was a work, it’d be better for Charly to go to Perros and be part of that group when they (inevitable) come back to AAA – he’ll give them a new act and more credibility to the group to help keep it afloat. Plus, the Perros shows seem to have plenty of healthy people talking and not doing much already, so an injured guy doing the same would fit right in.

Charly joining the Perros doesn’t seem to be a huge surprise to those reporting the story. It’s (now) mentioned he was seen at some of the shows, hanging around with Cibernetico.

10/23: Perros, GDL, Charly Manson, ByL

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Took a couple days, but there’s finally more about Perro Aguayo Jr. He spoke to both Reforma and SoloLuchas. Between both of the articles, it sounds like this is a full split to form a different organization, but Perro’s still on good terms with CMLL. (Perro says he owns the “Perros del Mal” name, which would certainly be indicative of this.) SoloLuchas says the PdM is right next to Arena Mexico and CMLL and PdM wrestlers could work against each other on shows (probably similar to how indy guys like Intocable and Demon are employed by local promoters who also bring in CMLL wrestlers.)

watch out for flying Sombras/CMLL
watch out for flying Sombras/CMLL

No one besides Perro is mentioned by name as going with his group. It’s only clear that it’s not expected to be the whole current group and will probably include those not in the group (Perro mentions bringing in tecnicos of good quality and recruiting worthwhile foreigners.) Only Perro says he won’t be working on CMLL shows anymore; it’s possible all the rest might still work CMLL TV and have the rest of the days booked out of their own office, as this idea was originally mentioned. We’re still grasping for details – no first show is mentioned, there’s obviously a press conference to officially announce this on the way but not sure when that is either.

CMLL (TUE) 10/21 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
6) Metalik & Rayman b Damián 666 & Mr. Águila
7) Héctor Garza & Marco Corelone DQ Terrible & Texano Jr.

Perros are still working their normal schedule. In the main event, Terrible faked a foul to get the win. Corelone was angry and kicked the ref after the match.

CMLL (TUE) 10/21 Arena Mexico
1) Angel de Oro & Trueno b Inquisidor & Pólvora – now it can told.

Box Y Lucha posted a lot of articles from it’s last issue
– Charly Manson hopes to be back in the ring by December, but may not make the end of the season. Charly says here that he’s not planning on supporting either Cibernetico or Chessman, instead to go his own way and perhaps start his own faction.
– Dorian Roldan says WWE will barely affect lucha libre, because it’s a different audience. Dorian also says the Abismo Negro gimmick was one of Antonio Pena’s creations, so it should be with someone who deserves it (Black Abyss.)
– Amapola says she hurt her knee just the day before she lost her hair to Lady Apache. What tragic luck. Then she hurt her other knee compensating, which sounds about right. She wants some revenge on Lady Apache when she comes back.
– Villano V says Ultimo Guerrero is a hypocrit, for feuding with Blue Panther and then suddenly deciding to defend him. Ultimo Guerrero says the Villanos just went too far.
– Talking with Rocky and X-Pac about Romero’s jump, the author asked about a rumor of Juventud Guerrera being another member; X-Pac: “Juvi stinks – if he comes back to AAA, he won’t be with us.”
– La Parkita says the AAA one (him) is the only true one and the one who owns the gimmick. The other wrestler who worked as Parkita apparently claims he owns the gimmick, but this one says it’s untrue.

Villanos press tour continues in AAA, who they vow to beat any trio. They’re also as confused as to what side Atlantis is supposed to be on, since he’s from Guadalajara.

SoloLuchas has a interview with Ephesto, who recalls his Hombre sin Nombre days (“dos mesas”) as a lot shorter than I do. He’d like a main event singles match with a star so people would see him as a star. That sounds rational.

Super Fly wants to face Electroshock in a retirement match. That sounds irrational.

Fuerza Guerrera wants to face Hijo del Santo in a mask match. That sounds unlikely. Fuerza tries to make his case, though, saying no one can truly be invincible after Blue Panther lost so maybe he’d unmask Santo. If any has a shot, Fuerza says, it should be one of him, Negro Casas or Blue Panther, since they’ve been Santo’s best rivals. (I know who’s not going back to NWA Mexico!) Fuerza pictures this as the main event of another Todos x el Todos show (big stadium show = $$$, enough he might actually do it.)

SuperLuchas talks to the Siniestro on the NWA cards, who is apparently a new person under that name. He says he’s wrestled as Horus in AAA for 3 years, but I can’t find any record of that name; misspelling? He was out of the business, but they were looking for a muscular guy and he fit the bill. The character itself is based on a Mexican comic book character (and not the DC one.)

Ovaciones has an interview with Mujer Demente, who’s reached 16 years of wrestling.

Romero/Negro in NJPW: 10/22 LOSS to Togi Makabe and Toru Yano, Yano on Romero as part of the tag tournament. Will they win a torneo match?

LuchaWorld has Robert on 05/18/06 AAA and 06/10 CMLL as well as KrisZ’s news update.

10/10 AAA TV Results (Queretaro)

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AAA TV (FRI) 10/10 Auditorio Municipal Jose Maria Arteaga de Queretaro
1) Fabi Apache & Mari Apache b Ayako Hamada & Cinthia Moreno
2) Alan Stone & Chris Stone b Jack Evans & Teddy Hart
3) El Mesias DQ Chessman
4) Electro Shock & Konnan b Octagón & Súper Fly
5) Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie Clown b Cuervo, Escoria, Espiritu
6) Cibernetico b Zorro

2008 AAA TV Taping List
Projected Air Date (#857)
Mexico: 10/12
US: 11/01

You know how I sometimes complain about AAA doing three months of angles on one show, and then no angles for three months? This was the one with all the angles.

The show started with another promo. I’ll let you know when AAA blocking their show out like WWE stops being hilarious. Konnan was in ring with the urn, calling out Roldan so he could hand over his demands (which go unrecorded in AAA’s recap.) Roldan came out with security, who were promptly taken out by Jack, Teddy, Zorro and Electro. Roldan had more help, and Chris Stone, Alan Stone, Killer Clown, Zombie Clown, Psycho Clown (Psycho Circus is AAA!), Octagon, and Super Fly ran out to attack the Legion. In the scrum, Alan got the urn, but it turned out to be a fake. Konnan gave Roldan a two hour dealine to accept the demands, or else.

Opener doesn’t get much write up, just the Apaches beating the rudas.

As the second match was going on, D-Generation-Mex interrupted from the stage to introduce their newest member, Alex Koslov. This distracted Jack & Teddy and cost them the match. After the match, DGM hit the ring to confront Hart Foundation 2. Alex was about to hit Jack with a chair, but X-Pac stopped him, saying they wanted to recruit Evans for the group. X-Pac and Rocky proceeded to beat up Teddy and Nicole with a (sledge?)hammer, causing Teddy to be strechered out.

Clowns are at 210 wins now. The Dark Family (Espiritu replacing Ozz for no mentioned reason) might have won this match, if not for Chessman trying to help out and accidently spearing Espiritu. Psycho covered for the pin.

Fourth match saw Octagon get tied in the ropes and Super Fly killed again like a jobber. After the match, Konnan said the time was up and he wanted Roldan out now. Roldan did come, but instead of meeting Konnan’s demand, suggested a match where if Konnan wins, he keeps the ashes and gets to run AAA, but if Roldan wins, he gets the urn back and Konnan has to retire from wrestling. (I presume they’re having others wrestle this match for them, but it’s not made clear.) Konnan accepted, because he can’t be too worried about having to retire from wrestling; it takes something to show that clip of Konnan losing the retirement match every year while he’s still wrestling, it takes something more to do another match with him and a retirement stip.

Chessman got DQed in his match with Mesias. There’s a mention of excessive violence, but that doesn’t seem to exist in AAA. They also mention him hitting Hijo de Tirantes, which does get you a DQ here. Chessman tied Mesias up in the ropes in a crucfix position (of course!) and poured gasoline on him. Right when Chessman was about to burn Mesias alive, the Dark Family came out – and turned on Chessman. After they finished beating him, they set upon burning Mesias themselves. I guess they really wanted to be the one to do it! This time, Cibernetico made the save for Mesias. And then, the Psycho Circus showed up, and challenged Cibernetico to a match!

If you followed all that, on one read thru, give yourself a gold star. The end product is we’ve got Chessman split right back off from Cuervo/Ozz/Espirtu/Escoria but both groups are still feuding with the iffy Mesias/Cibernetico alliance. And the Clowns are here too.

AAA suggests this may set up a Chessman/Psycho Circus alliance which would not only has potential for entertainment, but could give the Psycho Circus something approaching an endgame (the Dark Family’s atomicos titles.)

In the main event, Zorro lost. That’s all Zorro gets. It seems like Zorro and Konnan are having issues about who’s in charge. Chessman also interrupted the match to challenge Cibernetico to another match. After Cibernetico won, Chessman figured there’s no time like the present and attacked Cibernetico. The save was made by Charly Manson’s music. Charly came out to the stage and said “I have decided to go with…

…

…

…” and then he just left. What a jerk!

05/26 AAA TV Taping Results (Minatitlan, Veracruz)

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Previous: 05/06, 05/12, 05/20

Air Date
Mex: 06/03
US: 06/23

AAA TV (SAT) 05/26 Centro de Convenciones, Minatitlan, Veracruz [Payable XXX @ box y lucha]
1) Payaso Carrona, Payaso Miedo, Payaso Terror b Canibal, Nemesis AAA, Nygma
2) Fabi Apache, La Diabolica, Rossy Moreno b Cinthia Moreno, Estrellita, Sexy Star
3) Laredo Kid & Super Fly DQ Gran Apache & Super Calo
4) Antifaz del Norte, Fuerza Guerrera, Histeria, Psicosis II b Alberije, Charly Manson, El Elegido, Juventud Guerrera
5) Cuervo, Escoria, Ozz b Crazy Boy, Extreme Tiger, Joe Lider
6) Cuervo, El Mesias, Kenzo Suzuki, Ozz, Scoria b Chessman, Cibernetico, Zorro b Chessman, Cibernetico, Zorro

Something’s up with Abismo, because he missed this taping as well. The recap says “the Sect” replaced him in the match, so maybe that should more or different people – I’ll fix it when AAA throws up the results on their site. I’m sure everyone ran in, and Charly got in the last shot to help his team.

Somehow, even though the announced mystery partner was on the Sect’s side, Extreme Tiger ended up being a mystery partner with the Mexican Powers. He’s the newest member of the group – it was pretty obvious he was either going to be teaming with them or fighting against them, so they keep doing their style of matches and absolutely nothing else.

On the last taping, Gran Apache got busted open against the Air Force. He and Calo destroyed Laredo and Super Fly here, losing the match only because of excessive violence.

Mr. Niebla also seems a bit MIA; Psicosis II filled in for him in the fourth match. Estrellita might have gotten hurt on a Fabi Apache suplex.

Next Tapings
– 05/30 San Luis Potosi
– 06/08 Cozumel
– 06/10 Merida
– 06/17 Toluca