Final Lineup:
AAA TV (SAT) 06/18/2011 Palacio de los Deportes, Mexico City
1) Cinthia Moreno, Fabi Apache, Lolita, Mari Apache vs Angelina Love, Mickie James, Sexy Star, Velvet Sky
2) Chessman, Silver Kain, Último Gladiador vs Heavy Metal, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario [TLC]
3) Billy el Malo, Charly Manson, Cibernético, Escoria vs Drago, La Parka, Octagón, Ozz
4) Extreme Tiger & Jack Evans vs Abyss & Mr. Anderson [AAA TAG]
5) Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Damián 666, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Halloween [AAA TRIOS, final]
6) Zorro vs Jeff Jarrett [AAA HEAVY]
7) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Rob Van Dam [AAA LA]
8) LA Park vs El Mesías [hair, mask]
Previously:
AAA TV (SAT) 06/18/2011 Palacio de los Deportes, Mexico City
1) Cinthia Moreno, Fabi Apache, Lolita, Mari Apache vs Angelina Love, Mickie James, Sexy Star, Velvet Sky
2) Extreme Tiger & Jack Evans vs Abyss & Mr. Anderson [AAA TAG]
3) Billy el Malo, Charly Manson, Cibernético, Escoria, Taboo vs Cuervo, Drago, Espíritu, La Parka, Ozz
4) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Rob Van Dam
5) Zorro vs Jeff Jarrett [AAA HEAVY]
6) LA Park vs El Mesías [hair, mask]
2011 AAA TV Chart
Projected Air Date (#995, #996)
Mexico: 06/26
US: 07/10
Those dates are assuming they air TripleMania on TV the weekend after it airs on PPV, which is what they did last year. No sure bet.
This is also not a final lineup. We’re probably short a trios tournament final (which would have to have quarterfinals at Toluca and semifinals at Taping To Be Announced), or maybe just a match in the tournament. But beyond that, probably not much more on the PPV. They did get 8 matches on the show last year. The year before, they got six matches. I’m thinking Wagner/RVD, Mesias/Park and whatever the Bizarros/Underground match turned out to be (above is just a guess) to go long, but maybe Zorro/Jarrett and the women’s match will go short. AAA can add another match, but they don’t need to.
LA Park/Mesias in an apuesta match is big enough to anchor TripleMania, no question, and Zorro/Jeff Jarrett and Dr. Wagner Jr./Rob Van Dam will look good on posters. TripleMania should meet their business goals.
I’m not excited about it from an aesthetic standpoint, there’s not much to be excited for. Mesias/Park should be great, because it was great last time, and that’s the one notable exception. RVD/Wagner is a styles clash and RVD has not looked good of late. None of Zorro’s singles matches have been good of late, not really Jarrett’s fault. The women’s match may turn into a fiasco. Abyss & Mr. Anderson are a bad fit for the tag title; I have no idea why they’re here, and it doesn’t seem put together by someone who has any sense of what will make a good match (just making out of the ‘names’ – which might be okay if they were actually big names!) The Bizarros/Underground match could go either way. If the trios title match is the Perros/Psychos match, it’s one we will have seen 9 times on TV already.
There is the credibility problem of teasing Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy and Hulk Hogan and delivering on none of those names, but credibility is not a concern here.
We’ll be doing a chat for this show. I’m betting on CMLL running a big show the Friday before and the Sunday after, so we may have a few chats that weekend.
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Any updates on this “Latin American Championship”?!
Notable absences here are:
– Octagon: Only year he hasn’t been on Triplemania was in 2007 when he was Juventud’s second in his match against his father.
– Electro Shock/Joe Lider/Nicho El Millonario/Heavy Metal as tecnicos, Chessman/Silver King/Ultimo Gladiador as rudos: Could probably be made into a trios match with someone being the odd man out. AAA has largely been built around these guys this year which is the only reason I find this exclusion strange.
Other fun facts:
– This will be only the 3rd time in 19 years that no mini’s will be involved with the show. Other years being 1999 & 2008.
– This will be the 4th time in 5 years that AAA has taken to using the ‘TNA is coming to invade us’ crutch. Every year the angle has been completely forgotten the day after the show.
– First time since 2007 that the Mega Heavyweight Title will not be defended. Actually the belt didn’t exist back then. Still worth noting.
– First time since 2007 the show doesn’t feature some sort of 3 way or 4 way.
– If AAA brings in some Japanese talent to fill out the rest of the show it will be the first time ever over 75% of the matches will involve foreigners. More than likely the rest of the show will be comprised of Mexicans though to even things out.
– If Chessman doesn’t make the show it will end his consecutive Triplemania streak which began in 2002.
– Konnan and L.A. Park (didn’t he win the rights to the name last year?) will be the only two men on this show who were on the first Triplemania unless Heavy Metal gets booked.
Mega Heavyweight Title Match = Jarrett/Zorro.
@thecubsfan: Sorry. I associate that belt with Wagner. Silly me.
It will be a dark day when Zorro has to job at TripleMania.
@Rob: I don’t think TNA was involved in the 07 or 08 TripleMania’s that I went to, so it can’t be 4 out of 5 years.
I don’t have any real problem with the general idea of AAA and TNA working together, but this feels like they are cramming three big shows worth of AAA vs TNA matches into one show. I could live with the women (preferably in a smaller match) and maybe either Wagner/RVD or Zorro/Jarrett, but doing them all here feels like they are just trying to jumble things together. Which makes me think that Rob is right and that this is a one shot deal for all or most of these guys with no build for most of the matches and probably no followup for any of them (maybe with the exception of Jarrett?)
I am the not biggest fan of the AAA style, but I think this card has potential to by dynamite, and it definitely has a lot of things that should help it do great business.
Park/Mesias is a big, big match. Mesias getting shaved bald for the first time should be a big deal, and is worthy of the main event of ‘Mania. If for some reason Park were to lose this match, I would hate hate hate Mesias forever and ever.
I am a big Wagner fan, when he brings his working boots. What frustrates me to no end with him is that he often just chooses not to. When Wagner was having his big runs in Japan he was just spectacular, and a lot of that has continued when he has been given a big platform – such as two years ago against Mesias at ‘Mania. I think RVD is going to get a much better reception in Mexico than he did at the Tokyo Dome in January, because of the types of crowds NJPW and AAA each draw. If RVD goes out in front of a massive crowd with the intentions of doing some amazing stuff, and Wagner is there to have a classic, this match could be amazing. If RVD is stoned and Wagner doesn’t feel like working, this is gonna suck.
I dunno how I feel about Jarrett/Zorro. Zorro has been solid in the past, but he just hasn’t been recently – maybe it is due to injury. Jarrett has an act that I just cannot stand whatsoever. I have a feeling this will be a pretty basic match with a total angle behind it involving Konnan. Wouldn’t shock me if Jarrett took the strap back to TNA for a bit however…
I do not understand that Tag Title match at all… Jack & Tiger are two high-fyling daredevil flippys. Why in the world would you put them in there with those two guys? I understand that TNA has a house show that night, but you cannot tell me that Styles/Daniels, GenMe, Beer Money, or Ink Inc. were not available for this? From TNA’s point of view, they are dumb for not getting Hernandez on this card somehow.
@Nikita: I have a feeling, L.A. Park vs El Mesias could be MOTY.
@Alan: Weren’t Ron Killings and Sabu TNA talent in 2007? In 2008 I accidentally assumed Danielson was TNA. Where’d they get Lashley from though?
@Calabcd44: @Nikita: Park vs Mesias intrigues me big time. It’s a huge match. A rare stip match where the result is actually in doubt. Hopefully they end the show with that. It’s the type of match that clearly shows why AAA when they get their shit together will always top CMLL. CMLL can never put on a match like that b/c their owner is too cheap to provide the payoff more than once a decade and they are too lazy to book a singles feud worth a damn.
This line-up looks full of potential except for the tag title match. AAA is risking themselves with that stip though arent they? I would expect either guy would want a huge pay-off. Can AAA provide a big pay check for the loser?
@Rob: Sorry, that should have been 08 and 09 being the year’s I went to TripleMania. Danielson wasn’t in TNA, and Lashley hadn’t worked from them yet in 08. I’m pretty sure this was his first match after leaving WWE. I think that was the year when CMLL was working with TNA.
Anyone good enough with photoshop to give us Mesias with the Fabi Apache haircut?
@Rob: Well, I have been closely following lucha for about five years now, and I can rattle off quite a few big time apuesta matches that CMLL has put together, and I honestly cannot name one that AAA has.
Sure, CMLL hasnt been able to get matches like Mistico/Perrito, Wagner/Atlantis signed, but they have done some big matches. What is the biggest stip match AAA has actually pulled off in recent years – Parka Jr. vs Muerte Cibernetico?
To elaborate on that further… I think it is simply a money thing for both groups, and not necessarily a “company” thing. AAA obviously values the gimmicks they feel they have created, so they do not want to abandon them. It appears that CMLL is trying to be proactive in gimmick ownership as well, but, to me at least, all it does is drive the price of a mask down, but causes the value of the masked wrestler to go up. For example, if “Mistico” is owned by CMLL, sure they can lowball him on a payoff to drop his mask, because they own it. But, once the guy under the mask is established well enough, he can just jump ship with a new name & mask and be more valuable – as long as everyone knows it is the same guy. Which is exactly what the WWE did with Mistico.
This is why guys like Wagner, Park, etc can ask for outrageous sums of money to lose their mask – they know that a promoter cannot pay it out, and that they make too much money off their mask to give that up for a one-time-payday.
For example, now that he has become popular enough and a main event guy in CMLL, if Mascara Dorada was lowballed for an apuesta match, he could easily jump ship to AAA, get a very similar looking mask and be known as “Mascara Oro” or something, and not miss a beat.
I think the difference between CMLL and AAA’s financial structure makes it more feasible for CMLL to offer the mid-range to semi-big apuesta matches. CMLL probably could eat the cost of a bigtime match more often, but they are probably looking at it from a cost perspective… which may be unsatisfying from a fan perspective, but is a logical thing to do financially. I mean, would business be a milion times better for CMLL right now is they shelled out top dollar for an Atlantis/Wagner match in 2006? Would Mistico still be in CMLL if he took Perrito’s hair in 2007?
@Alan: I wonder if Triplemania could be a sold show? If so they would have the money for a real stip match.
@LLL: They should be able to make a big enough gate to pay off the stip. Tickets for this are always relatively high and Palacio holds enough people, so i think they can afford it. I just hope they’ve gotten someone to agree to lose up front.
@Alan: That’s the problem. They don’t know what the gate will be. They do a huge production for Mania and have lots of Impact guys coming in plus I assume Mesias will indeed get shaved legit for about $20,000. That’s why I suspect that there’s a money mark involved.
LA Park vs. Mesias in a hair match is actually strong enough to headline, even without the race-baiting invader stuff on the show. I wonder what Impact gets out of sending guys down there since AAA can’t send guys to the US b/c of their LLUSA deal. A payday?
@LLL: Any idea when the LLUSA deal is up?
TNA loves getting footage of their guys wrestling in other countries. Maybe Jarrett gets to bring the belt back for a while?
@LLL: A payday. Probably a few.
@Alan: Supposedly, 2012.
@thecubsfan: We should all be negotiating business deals with AAA.
Well I’ve eben a fan of lucha libre ever since wcw used some mexican talent, but this is really the first year, that I am watching the shows.Triplemania looks much better than wrestlemania or lockdown did. Also I am looking forward to TNAs or Impact wrestlings or whatever they are called, involvememt. I Wonder what AAA is getting out of this…