great match roundup, week of 2019-11-02

Octagon Jr.

recaps

Maybe I didn’t screw up the recap posts for this week? Hopefully.

Rey Bucanero is still hitting “really good match by throwing himself around” marks every two years, possibly because it takes two years to feel better after the last one. The Lucha Capital match was good for what it was. That’s about it.

All 2019 round-up posts2019 MOTYC list

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Stuka Jr. © vs Rey Bucanero for the NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
good Puma King vs Octagón Jr.Drago Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa) Puma King del Equipo 3 se alza con la victoria contra Octagón Jr. del 5 y Drago del 6 (posted by hector godfrey) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-06 2019-11-06

Other Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Astro & Asturiano vs Espíritu Maligno & Joker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-04 2019-11-04
ok Dulce Gardenia vs Misterioso in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-04 2019-11-04
ok Star Jr., Stigma, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Templario, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-04 2019-11-04
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-04 2019-11-04
ok Eléctrico, Oro Jr., Súper Astro Jr. vs Grako, Inquisidor, Príncipe Odín Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
ok Magia Blanca vs Nitro in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
ok Blue Panther, Kráneo, Volcano vs Felino, Hechicero, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
ok Místico, Star Jr., Titán vs Mephisto, Templario, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
ok Tito Santana vs DinastíaMáximo Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa) Máximo del Equipo 4 derrota a Tito Santana del 1 y Drago del 6 en Lucha Capital 4to. Episodio. (posted by HECTOR GODFREY TV) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-06 2019-11-06
ok Keyra vs Faby ApacheAyako Hamada Faby Apache del Equipo 10 logra su segundo triunfo contra Keyra equipo 12 y Ayako Hamada del 11. (posted by hector godfrey) Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-06 2019-11-06
ok Argenis vs Dave The ClownRich Swann Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa) Rick Swann del Equipo 2 vence a Dave the Clown del 9 y Argenis del 8 LUCHA CAPITAL 4TO. EPISODIO. (posted by hector godfrey) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-06 2019-11-06
ok Magnus & Príncipe Diamante vs El Coyote & Hijo del Signo COYOTE E HIJO DEL SIGNO vs MAGNUS Y PRÍNCIPE DIAMANTE (11- 08-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
ok La Jarochita, Sanely, Shoko Nakajima vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis DALLYS, AMAPOLA Y REYNA ISIS vs SHOKO NAKAJIMA, SANELLY Y JAROCHITA (11-08-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
ok Dulce Gardenia, Fugaz, Star Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto FUGAZ, DULCE GARDENIA Y STAR JR vs MEPHISTO, EPHESTO Y LUCIFERNO (11- 08-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
ok Cavernario, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero vs Soberano Jr., Titán, Valiente LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) NEGRO CASAS, B CAVERNARIO Y ÚLTIMO GUERRERO vs. TITÁN, SOBERANO JR Y VALIENTE (11-08-2019) (posted by ) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
ok Carístico, Místico, Volador Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) MÍSTICO, CARÍSTICO Y VOLADOR JR vs SANSÓN, CUATRERO Y FORASTERO (11- 08-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
below average Angelito & Fantasy vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Universo 2000 LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-05 2019-11-05
below average Audaz vs Hijo del Villano III in a lightning match AUDAZ vs HIJO DEL VILLANO III (Match Relámpago 11- 08-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-08 2019-11-08
not rated Millenium, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Espíritu Negro LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-04 2019-11-04
watch later Cavernario © vs Forastero for the Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship Cavernario © vs Forastero for the Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship (posted by thecubsfan) FORASTERO vs BÁRBARO CAVERNARIO (Campeonato Nacional Semicompleto 10-27-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) CMLL A Ras De Lona: 2019-11-03 2019-10-27

UG/Valiente tonight, TripleMania Regia competition, IWRG

IWRG (SUN) 11/24/2019 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Dick Angelo 3G & Neza Kid b Auzter & Shadow Boy
2) Avisman b Fulgor I IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)
3) Trauma II b Imposible IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)
4) Fresero Jr. b Demonio Infernal [super libre] IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)
5) Hijo de Canis Lupus © b Trauma I [IWRG IC HEAVY] IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)
4th defense
6) Big Chico Che, Big Mike, Big Ovett b Ángel Tormenta, Ave Rex, Hip Hop Man IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)
7) Toxin DQ Dragón BanePuma de OroLunatik Xtreme IWRG (posted by Internetv Deportes)

The super libre outcome might be telling of the hair match this coming Sunday, though Demonio Infernal seems more likely to lose his hair anyway. This looks like the last booking for Dragon Bane & Canis Lupus before heading to NOAH.

There are some results from Nacion Lucha Libre, though not complete. This group always seems to add matches for TV, and it’s not clear which matches actually happened until air. It looks like they packed people in together to look full for TV, though they’re still not drawing any better even with their current TV product. That may speak to how effective their TV show has been, or to the reduced affect TV shows seem to have on getting people to go to shows at this point.

Ultimo Guerrero defends the CMLL Heavyweight Championship against Valiente tonight in Arena Puebla. UG title defenses are patterned though usually solid. CMLL ran this same match in this same arena seven months ago and it was good then. There doesn’t seem much chance of a title change. There are no obvious plans for Guerrero as champion at the moment, but he is always a CMLL champion and usually a singles champion.

The rest of the show is one that looks good on paper, though that doesn’t mean much of late. Rey Bucanero teams with Euforia & Gran Guerrero against Caristico, Mistico, and Volador. Dulce Gardenia takes on dance partner Hijo del Villano III in a lightning match. Malayo teams with the Batalion del Muerte against Arkalis, Fuego, Stigma. Princesa Sugehit & Lluvia have a chance for a win against Amapola & Reyna Isis. Joker & Centella Roja open against Millenium and the usually entertaining Astro. The show streams at 9 pm on CMLL’s YouTube page.

12/07 MexaWrestling at Arean San Juan

Pagano, Dave the Clown and La Hiedra were in Monterrey promoting TripleMania Regia. Hiedra is not actually listed on the show, though she jokes she’ll be winning the Copa TripleMania Regia. No hint of the show airing on Multimedios at this point.

La Planchitas points out the tickets are moving slowly for this show, slower than WWE’s stop in Mexico City also taking place this weekend. This felt rechecking. There are 7,830 tickets listed as still on sale on the ticket website as of this morning, which means they’ve sold (or otherwise taken off the market) about 7,100 tickets so far.

Perhaps they’ll move more this week and the day of the show, though it appears they’ll have competition: Monterrey’s two soccer teams will both be playing playoff games Sunday night, with one of them playing in the soccer stadium next door to TripleMania Regia. There’s some bad luck here, though this appears like it was always the first week of the soccer playoffs and both teams had a good chance of making it; the bad luck part is they end up playing on Sunday and not Saturday. TripleMania Regia starts at 5 pm local, Monterrey plays on the road at 7 pm, UANL plays at home at 9 pm. It would be possible to do park once and go to both TripleMania Regia, though that’s a long day. If people start streaming out of the building around 8:30, that might be why. The bigger issue is getting people in Monterrey to buy for a wrestling show when they’re pretty into football.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara announced Friday shows for 12/27 and 01/03.

Lineups

CMLL (SAT) 11/30/2019 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Leono vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) La Guerrera, La Magnifica, La Vaquerita vs La Comandante, La Infernal, La Seductora
3) Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma vs Dark Magic, Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Black Panther vs Universo 2000 Jr. [lightning]
5) Kráneo, Stuka Jr., Volcano vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Templario
6) Carístico, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón

There seems to be a very narrow group of CMLL main eventers of late. Black Panther’s rudo turn doesn’t seem to be sticking.

IWRG (SUN) 12/01/2019 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Estrella & Shadow Boy vs Marado & Neza Kid
2) Black Dragón & Eragón vs Hip Hop Man & La Mosca
3) Freelance, Legendario, Puma de Oro vs Avisman, Death Metal, Dick Angelo 3G
4) Big Chico Che, Big Mike, Big Ovett vs Capo del Norte, Capo del Sur, Fly Warrior
5) Misterioso Jr. (CMLL) vs Internacional Pantera
6) Trauma I & Trauma II vs Bryce Benjamin & Marshe Rockett and Alas de Oro & Alas De Plata and Fulgor I & Fulgor II and Dragón & Hijo Del Impostor and Ave Rex & Toxin [IWRG IC TAG]
7) Fresero Jr. vs Demonio Infernal [hair]

Fresero versus Demonio should be very good. The wording on the poster makes it sound like they’re determining new tag team champions.

Aramis & Imposible were champions, though Aramis did miss a defense while going to Guadalajara and that might be enough to vacate the titles. Benjamin & Rockett are  Chicago indie wrestlers, here as part of a one-year celebration of the PALL alliance.

Misterioso Jr. defeated Pantera for his mask in a CMLL cage match back in July 2006. Pantera left CMLL three months later, put his mask back on, and hasn’t taken it off since. Pantera’s explanation is CMLL never paid him what he was promised for the mask; they didn’t live up to terms of the deal so he doesn’t feel like he needs to either. Misterioso hasn’t said how he feels about all of this and the two haven’t met in a match since Pantera left CMLL. Pantera seems to be heading towards retirement, so this might be one last chance to do this match.

CMLL on Marca: 2019-11-08

Soberano & Cavernario

Recapped: 11/09/2019

Matches:

Magnus & Príncipe Diamante beat El Coyote & Hijo del Signo
(12:00 [4:56, 3:25, 3:39], 2/3, ok, 00:00:00)

Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis beat La Jarochita, Sanely, Shoko Nakajima
(14:17 [9:23, 1:53, 3:01], 2/3, ok, 00:18:43)

Audaz and Hijo del Villano III went to a draw in a lightning match
(3:04, DCOR, below average, 00:42:33)

Dulce Gardenia, Fugaz, Star Jr. beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
(17:24 [6:16, 3:19, 7:49], 1/3 DQ, ok, 00:50:49)

Cavernario, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero beat Soberano Jr., Titán, Valiente
(13:39 [7:04, 2:29, 4:06], 1/3, ok, 01:18:20)

Carístico, Místico, Volador Jr. beat Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(16:50 [3:08, 6:14, 7:28], 2/3, ok, 01:42:26)

What happened:

The lightning match ended early while both men were fighting outside. A dive spot looked bad to start it, they did a lot more to make up for it, and doing a lot more kept them around 30 seconds.

Thoughts:

This show came across as a boring spectacle, all the matches featuring the usual people doing their usual matches with no extra thought or intensity put into them. There were a couple of flawed matches, but the problems were more with the repetitive nature of the matchups. This was people clocking into their shift, making the required wrestling product, and moving on with their lives. Just yet another CMLL show where there’s no reason to go back and watch it if you missed it.

The main event exemplified that, the same NGD/?Sky Team? match seen many times over. It did seem at a slower speed, perhaps trying to length out what had been a very short show to that point. The second fall felt like a lot of stalling. NGD could’ve done something interest, and instead, sort of did their usual spots at a lackadaisical speed. That set up the tecnicos doing their exact same comeback as always at a normal speed. They picked up the energy in the third fall but the moves weren’t special and it was hard to care about following two hours of nothing.

The semi-main had some hints of good matchups – mostly involving Cavernario – but didn’t really progress to anything interesting. The long first fall had some back and forth holds, but also seemed to eat up most of the time. This was forgettable if not terrible.

Atlantis Jr. has shown a lot of improvement in his one year in CMLL. His rival Hijo del Villano hasn’t grown. Usually, it’s a lack of offense. This time it was carelessness. Not being ready for Audaz’s dive was spiraled into trying to do a lot to make up for it, and forgetting there was a referee making a count. CMLL referees make mistakes all the time but the wrestlers were the ones who made the referee look bad this time.

The women’s match featured Dalys taking the tecnicas’ best shots, then getting up to give them some offense. She did not get beat in the one fall the tecnicas won. Nakajima seemed like she was going Dinastia speed compared to the usual CMLL women, which also makes it hard to imagine any here working well with her. She didn’t get to show much.

The opener was around the usual level. The rudos didn’t mess up anything, which should be celebrated. Principe Diamante is hesitant and not as fast as some of the other flyers but he did appear to be trying. Everything Magnus did wen fine but he just felt like he was going thru his usual motions with no excitement.