08/28 AAA TV Results (TripleMania XXIV)

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AAA TV (SUN) 08/28/2016 Arena Ciudad de México, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [411Mania, AAA, Culticon, Kronosport, Medio Tiempo (3), Medio Tiempo (6), Medio Tiempo (7),Publimetro, R de Rudo, Sipse, SuperLuchas, Tape Machines are Rolling, Televisa, thecubsfan, Wrestling With Words, Yucatan]
1) Australian Suicide b La Parka, El Elegido, Taurus, Hernandez, Pimpinela Escarlata, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Daga, Súper Fly, Zorro, Mamba, Argenis [TripleMania Cup]
21:13. Moved to the first match. Rules were revealed to be the first four starting in the ring, someone new added every minute, over the top eliminations and the last two having a match. Argenis was the surprise luchador (though he wasn’t identified as such, and came off as a replacement for someone.) Mamba, Suicide, Daga & Parka started. Parka was the last one thrown out, with Suicide & Daga lasting the whole way to face each other. Suicide got the three count after his tornillo shooting star press, though Daga’s foot was on the ropes. Daga had dedicated the win to Perro Aguayo Jr. and attacked Suicide after he was given the win. The trophy broke in the process.
2) Faby Apache & Mary Apache NC Averno & Chessman
Around 9:07, no official ending. Moved up a spot. El Apache was referee, helping the rudos early on but stopping them when Averno tried to hit Faby with a beer bottle (as Faby had done to him.) Rudos attacked Apache, preventing him from counting a Faby visual pin on Chessman. Averno hit Faby with a light tube in the back, causing her to bleed heavily from the forehead. El Apache made the save and called for the doctors. Ricky Marvin ran in and hit El Apache with a chair, causing him to bleed as well. The match had no finish or ending, and the best guess is no contest. Averno, Chessman, and Ricky Marvin are now known as OGT.
3) Aerostar & Drago b Angélico & Jack Evans © and Matt Cross & Paul London and Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma [AAA TAG]
11:49. Garza Jr. replaced Fenix, who was never mentioned. Cross & London’s AAA debut. Drago pinned London to win the titles in the best match on the show. Aerostar & Drago are the 17th champions. Angelico & Jack fall on their first defense; this is the second time they’ve lost the titles without being pinned this year.
4) Johnny Mundo b Pentagón Jr. © [AAA LA]
15:05. Mundo defeated Pentagon Jr. when Taya fouled Pentagon. Taya & Mundo are now together in AAA. Mundo is the 7th champion. Pentagon Jr. falls on his first defense.
5) Dragón Azteca Jr., Prince Puma, Rey Misterio Jr. b Marty Martinez, Matanza, Mil Muertes
11:55. Only Vampiro (as special guest announcer) and Misterio were given entrances. Rey wore Perro Aguayo Jr.’s boots, and “Perrito” on the back of his gear. Misterio beat Marty with a frog splash.
6) Texano Jr. © b Dr. Wagner Jr., Cage [AAA HEAVY]
11:16. Moved up a spot. Texano small packaged Cage for the win. First defense. After the match, Hernandez, Mesias, Taya and Mundo helped Cage attack Texano. Mesias posed with the belt. Aerostar, Drago and Garza were all unsuccessful in making the save.
7) Psycho Clown b Pagano [hair, mask]
27:46. Extreme match, with chairs and tables and thumbtacks. Damian & Nicho ran in near the end, Dr. Wagner Jr. made the save, but fouled Psycho Clown. Pagano and Wagner lit a table on fire, then immediately were speared into the table by Psycho Clown. Psycho Clown pinned Pagano for the win. Tirantes was referee, played it fair most of the time, fast counted to help Pagano near the end, then counted the final pinfall without much of an issue. Monster & Murder Clown celebrated with Psycho Clown after the match. Wagner stopped the post match preceedings to challenge Psycho Clown to a mask match in one year’s time, at TripleMania XXV. Psycho Clown accepted, and AAA confirmed it as the plan for next year after the show. Pagano got his head (quickly) shaved in the ring.

Air Date: 09/10 & 09/17.

AAA did the scene at the end of the with the idea they would actually have Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown next year. This time last year, AAA would’ve thought they had Rey Misterio, Myzteziz and Alberto in this year’s main event. This time a year ago, Dr. Wagner was trying to get back into CMLL. A lot can change in a year, and neither AAA or Wagner himself are all that stable. It’s also a very expensive match, and AAA’s seemed to be having financial issues at times. Wagner/Psycho match would be a very big deal match (and one where Wagner would seem likely to finally lose his mask), but it’s a long way from happening.

AAA’s recap only mentions Garza Jr. as running in to save Texano after the title match. It could just be an accidental omission of Drago & Aerostar (the new tag team champions who were mostly laid out off-screen), but AAA’s got a big show in Monterrey in five weeks and it’s the time to do something with him if they’re going to do it. They seemed to point at Mundo/Garza, which justifies the title change in a short sided way.

The building looked full, though we didn’t get a lot of shots of the entire building. (We got lots of close-ups of fans instead.) Joaquin Roldan did say it was a sell out, which is a big success given the lack of star power on the show compared to past years.

Fenix is be done in AAA right now. There was no mention of him on the show, even though they were promoting him on the show as recently as the TV show the night before. He’s already taken dates on Heroes Inmortales weekend. The Pentagon/Fenix match is not happening in AAA. My impression is the problem between Fenix/AAA are not insurmountable (it’s not as bad as Flamita/AAA), but any Mexico lineups currently listed as having Fenix should be treated as false. (The only one I have is the 09/16 show in Ecatepec.) AAA has previously warned there wrestlers that they would lose their role in Lucha Underground if they leave AAA; this hasn’t seemed to apply to Sexy Star and it’ll be worth watching if it happens with Fenix.

(It’s weird that the Fenix & Fantasma team introduction was done in Toluca, the same place the Octagon Jr. character was introduced. Both started great and didn’t last long.)

I had heard Pentagon was also done, but he wrestled as scheduled. This was incorrect info, and I apologize for posting it.

El Cuadrilatero bemoans Wagner stealing the spotlight at the end of the show. If AAA’s going to continue to borrow layout ideas from the WWE model, they should probably take the “RAW after WrestleMania” formula and schedule a TV taping in Mexico City the day after TripleMania every year. There’s logistical reasons to do it – instead of giving away TripleMania on TV two weeks after it airs, it can be the end of the year repeat programming – but it’d also let them set up their new programs without squeezing them all into TripleMania. In this case, it might have flowed better if Wagner to get involved at TripleMania, but the big challenge was saved for the next day as to not overshadow the result of the main event. (Running TripleMania on Sunday makes this harder to do, but I think they could fill Naucalpan on a Monday night.)

Pagano thanked fans for their support. He listed Nicho & Damian as part of his group. Halloween wasn’t at the show, and I’m beginning to wonder if he just invited himself to the pilgrimage and isn’t in AAA any more.

+Lucha has interviews with Pagano and Psycho Clown following the main event.

Joe Lider’s bleeding heavily in the Mundo/Pentagon match was very random. Lider was a surprise wrestler in hardcore promotion NGX Saturday and bled a bunch, so it likely was the wounds from the previous night opening up really easily.

Aerostar & Drago winning the tag team titles was a genuine surprise, as was Daga & Suicide being in the finals of Copa TripleMania. The Aerostar/Drago bit was hurt when they were later used as disposable bodies for Team Trump to beat. My fear is they’re being set up as small guys for Hernandez and Cage to squash while winning the tag titles, my hope is Jack & Angelico get a rematch.

(The Team Trump sure seems like it has an expiration date of November, but AAA also seems to be aiming to carry it thru the rest of the year at least.)

Here’s the three video posts I put up about Matt Striker & Vampiro:

  • Matt Striker referring to a Pentagon tope con giro as “doing it for Bengahzi”
  • Matt Striker going off on either the audience for not liking the above, or on generally on people who question his political views on Twitter
  • Matt Striker & Vampiro entertaining themselves (and pretty much only themselves) during the Lucha Underground match.

The more I think about it, the more I believe Vampiro was kind of forced into doing announcing and didn’t really want any part of it. He absolutely acted like a person who did not want to be out there. (His actual role may have been agenting the Pagano/Psycho match, as it felt like LU matches.)

Matt Striker’s not going to change. The fault lies on AAA on bringing him back time after time. He’s gotten basically the same reviews every time, and AAA doesn’t seem to care all that much. Maybe AAA waiting to the last moment to announce Striker & Hugo was because they couldn’t find anyone else, or maybe it’s because they knew the reaction they’d get. All I know is when I get plenty of people telling me they switched to the Spanish commentators (who are not much better if you understand Spanish), then you’ve really defeated the purpose of having English commentary.

The reality is this is probably a dead issue for, since AAA’s not going to bother with an English feed for Heroes Inmortales and probably not Guerra de Titanes, if they’re even iPPVs.

A while after the show ended (though curiously not during the show), AAA announced participation on a multiple promotion show in Korakuen Hall on 10/26 called Star Battle Japan. It’s a home and home for the Lucha World Cup; many of the Japanese promotions who participated (Noah, Ouduo, Wave, Zero1) are listed on the show. Rey Mysterio, Pentagon Jr., Psycho Clown, Cage and Taya are pictured. In Japan, they’ve mentioned Akebono will wrestle. (He seems to be the entire Ouduo promotion, so he has to if they’re part of it.)

Note that Mysterio is an independent guy, and not an AAA exclusive. He’s working the next The Crash show, which will also have Rush on it. Working the Japan show doesn’t mean necessarily he’s in for more AAA (though it’s always nice to see him.)

The next taping is scheduled to be on 09/16. AAA’s been acting squirrely about that show on TV, but it is listed on the Hard Rock Riveria Maya’s site. The show after that is Heroes Inmortales, and both lineups may be out soon.

Hijos del Infierno keep trios titles, Flamita’s busy Saturday

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champs/photo by CMLL
UWE (SAT) 08/27/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Kronosport, R de Rudo]
1) Pegazuz & Príncipe Mexica b Dragón Force & Ironía
2) Felina Metálica & Keira b Diosa Atenea & Lady Maravilla
Felina appeared hurt despite the win.
3) Sensei, Shibata, Yakuza b Kilvan, Shadow, Yoruba and Dante, Euro, Filder
4) Sádico b Flamita, Toxin, Mike Segura, Impulso Flamita vs Sadico vs Toxin vs Impulso vs Mike Segura | AULL | 27-08-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Sadico beat Flamita, setting up another round of challenges between the two. Money thrown in. Match was good, very good with the last two. Flamita’s right arm appeared to still be hurt.
5) Caifan, Dr. Cerebro, Virus b Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II Virus, Caifan y Dr. Cerebro vs Negro Navarro, Trauma I y Trauma II | AULL | 27-08-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
6) LA Park & Rey Hechicero b Pierroth & Rush

The building looks about 70% full during the main event. This was Flamita’s second match of the night; he had a well regraded match with Freelance at Gimnasio Hercules as a surprise luchador. (It’s the one time where the surprise luchador turned out to be good; he probably wasn’t listed because they weren’t sure of his schedule.) He and Sadico is the Arena Lopez Mateos dream match that never seems to happen.

CMLL (SUN) 08/28/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Canelo Casas & Espanto Jr. b Bengala & Robin
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Oro Jr., Star Jr. b El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Puma, Tiger, Virus DQ Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa
Straight falls? Tecnicos took first, Virus fouled Blue Panther in the last fall.
4) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Euforia, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Máximo Sexy b Mr. Niebla
Maximo took 2/3.
6) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © b Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Stuka Jr. [MEX TRIOS]
Rudos took 2/3 to retain. 6th defense

I used that photo up top because it occurred to me that Fantasma & Rambo probably had a discussion about which shows they were going to last night. Rambo almost always goes to CMLL shows and Fantasma is almost always the commission rep at AAA shows, so it probably wasn’t a long discussion, but Rambo appears to be having a much better time than Fantasma did. Fantasma seemed to be hating life when they’d pan to him.

Rambo probably has a lot more space to himself though. Sunday crowd looked nothing special, maybe down a bit from normal. CMLL simply doesn’t have the big of draws that they can throw out A-/B+ lineups in Arena Mexico on no notice and expect a surge of people to show up, especially against a show like TripleMania. Even Maximo/Niebla, which would’ve been a big deal at one point, didn’t seem to mean much now.

Blue Panther/Virus doesn’t seem to go anyway; Virus faces the sons next week.

No Saturday CMLL show. Barbie Juarez lost her boxing match.

Lucha Memes Chairo 5 on 09/25 in Arena Naucalpan.
1: Volador Jr. vs Rey Horuz
2: a Lucha Memes vs IWRG Torneo FILL (8v8 cibernetico).
IWRG: Black Dragon, Kanon, Dragon FlyAtomic Star, Lilith Dark, Arana de Plata, Fireman and one more
Lucha Memes: Astrolux, Garrobo Punk, TekilitaBaby Star Jr., Black Metal, Ciber PunkTonak and one more
3: to be announced tonight

This week’s AAA TV is up.

Lector 24 talks to Billy Boy about his career at this moment.

LuchaWorld has Sunday’s news update.

Cross Armbreaker reviews Super Porky vs Gran Markus Jr.

Arkangel is teaching a lucha libre seminar in Puerto Rico on 09/15.

Chik Tormenta will wrestle on the 09/25 Diamond Stars show in Tokyo’s Shinkiba 1st Ring, facing Heidi Katrina for the vacant CMLL-REINA Internacional championship. This is the title Narimiya held, not the one Silueta holds, and I’m mildly surprised it exists. I didn’t know Diamond Stars existed before this; this is their first show.

Lineups

CMLL (SAT) 09/03/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Aéreo & Fantasy vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia
2) Leono, Magnus, Sensei vs Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Metálico
3) Soberano Jr., Starman, Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Disturbio, Nitro
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Titán vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy vs Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

Main event would be (in theory) Dragon Lee’s first unmasked match. Semimain should be pretty fun.

CMLL (SUN) 09/04/2016 Arena México
1) Magnus & Starman vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Blue Panther Jr., Súper Halcón Jr., The Panther vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Olímpico, Pólvora
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Bobby Z, Gran Guerrero, Kráneo
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Terrible, Último Guerrero

There’s no big match on this show, but they’ve got three usual midcard matches and a usual second match in the opener, so this is CMLL trying hard on Sundays. Maybe they’re hoping people stick around all weekend? I’m not really sure.

CMLL (SUN) 09/04/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Avispón Negro Jr. vs Quca
2) Capitán Cobra & Fugaz vs Diplomático & Guerrero de la Muerte
3) Explosivo, Randy, Reycko vs Exterminador, Gran Kenut, Mr. Apolo
4) Frezzer & Nautilius vs Joker & Sádico
5) Mágico, Neutrón, Omar Brunetti vs Maléfico, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno

Omar (should be tecnico green and) hasn’t been around since May. Maybe an injury?

The four guys in the semimain were in the main event this past week, so something’s being set up.

MDA (SUN) 09/18/2016 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Babe Fox & the Tiger (Tamaulipas) vs Jesse & Psicótico
2) Quinto Elemento & Última Sombra vs Alberto Dos Rios & Gemelo Muerte
3) Delta & Laredo Kid vs Galactar & Pierroth
4) Antifaz, Caifan, La Máscara vs Dragón Lee II, Mistico II, Rush
5) Atlantis & Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Máscara Sagrada & Octagón

This came out last week but I didn’t include it. Atlantis will look very young in the main event. The La Mascara/Dragon Lee rematches will last for quite some time. Putting Pierroth in that match with Delta & Laredo Kid is a bad sign on your programming prowess.

AAA TripleMania XXIV: 2016-08-28 

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Recapped: 08/28/2016

What happened: Psycho Clown defeated Pagano for his hair in the main event. The finish and outcome was overshadowed by Dr. Wagner Jr. first trying to cost Psycho Clown the match, then challenging Psycho Clown to a mask match at next year’s TripleMania. Psycho Clown readily accepted.

Texano retained the heavyweight championship by defeating Brian Cage. A post match attack by team Trump suggested Mesias would be the next challenger.

Johnny Mundo defeated Pentagon Jr. to win the Latin American championship when Taya betrayed Pentagon and joined Team Trump.

Aerostar & Drago surprisingly won the tag team titles, with Drago defeating Paul London. Garza Jr. replaced Fenix, who appears to be done in AAA for the moment.

Averno & Chessman versus Mary Apache & Faby Apache ended in no apparent finish. El Apache stopped the rudos when Averno attempted to gain revenge on Faby hitting him with a bottle by doing the same to her. The rudos attacked Apache, and broke a light tube over Faby when she had a visual pinfall. Apache tried to save his daughters, but was attacked by Ricky Marvin. Averno, Chessman and Ricky Marvin are now “O G T” and had new t-shirts, but we never got a good enough shot of those shirts to know what OGT means.

Australian Suicide defeated Daga to win the TripleMania Cup. Daga’s foot was on the ropes, missed by the referee, and he attacked Suicide after the match.

Rey Misterio won the Lucha Underground trios match.

Art Barr & Joaquin Roldan were added to the Hall of Fame.

What was good (and not good):  The tag title match was the best match on the show. The crowd reacted strongest to the main event, though it was technically not much good. The Pentagon/Mundo, heavyweight title, and LU trios match were at best passable good, but also nowhere as near as good imagined. Whether it’s TripleMania booking or (positive) crowd noise not being picked up as well in Arena Ciudad de Mexico, those matches all felt like they’d been better in any other situation. The Daga/Suicide ending of the Copa TripleMania battle royal was good as well.

Having a long term plan is great, and Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown would be a giant match if it occurred. Given AAA’s history, and Dr. Wagner’s lifetime of setting up mask matches and not doing them, it’s very hard to take seriously. The way it was announced also completely obliterated what was just the main event of their show, with AAA trampling over the Pagano/Psycho ending in a hurry to make next year’s match.

I dunno about the short term or long term plan here
I dunno about the short term or long term plan here

Joaquin Roldan appeared not to know he was going into the Hall of Fame, seemed very touched by the moment, and did his best to make it not about him. It was still groan inducing. The list of people who’ve made big contributing to AAA is very long, and only 12 of them are in before Joaquin. Putting yourself in your own Hall of Fame is never a good look, but it’s particularly bad optics after the last fifteen months AAA’s had. It was a poor job of reading the room, as the AAA crowd made it clear they didn’t like the idea. Much like the main event, the way they put Roldan in the Hall of Fame reduced Art Barr to a minor footnote they were racing past to get to the real news, and that’s no way to treat an introduction.

Particularly, putting a promoter in a Hall of Fame for doing such an excellent job moments after Fenix no-showed the tag team title match took some gumption. The situation with Fenix and AAA has clearly been going on since at least the Veracruz taping, and AAA opted to be dishonest about it the entire way. Fenix is a popular guy, but Fenix to Garza wasn’t going to cost them any tickets. It will cost them trust, and that’s why no one’s really going to believe them about Wagner and Psycho until they’re both in the ring next year, and Villano IV or someone else isn’t added to take the pinfall.

The English announcers, particular Matt Striker, seemed better prepped for the show than in times past. Hugo, as usual, came off as if he very little specific knowledge and talked in big generalities to avoid getting trapped on getting those details wrong. Striker knew the history of all the feuds (and even some that weren’t scheduled, like Psycho/Wagner) and came off like he somewhat followed the product. There were a lot of details he got wrong, but that part seemed like progress. The other parts of Striker’s antics were out of control and harmful to the show. Striker and Team Trump were specifically a poor mix; Striker saw the group as an opening for a discussion of his political views and verbally bristled when he got a poor reaction to them, blowing off the finish of the Pentagon/Mundo match because he was so annoyed.

Vampiro replaced Hugo for the Lucha Underground match and was awful. I don’t think he’d mind that review, because he clearly wasn’t trying to be anything but awful. It came off as both Vampiro was being required to do announcing on this show and didn’t want to do it, and also that Vampiro had been drinking or doing something before going out there. (Here’s some highlights.)

The English announcing on these shows have peaked at “below average” and usually been much worse. It’s really hard to understand why AAA continues to bring in English announcer for these shows, because they are actively making matches less enjoyable for people listening in that language. The Spanish announcers did not sound like they were much better tonight, taking time to use offensive language and expose the identity of all the Lucha Underground wrestlers (except Mil Muertes, oddly enough), but maybe that’d just be random noise to the English fans,

At any rate, this whole concept desperately needs to be re-evaluted. If the idea of English announcers it to appeal to English speaking fans, AAA’s been failing and failing repeatedly.

The whole Lucha Underground presentation was also a failure. Five of the six guys were thrown out with no introduction. AAA presented the guys like unknowns being shoved out on a major show, and the fans whistled at them to get off the stage so the real stars could appear. If this was an idea to get Mexican fans to push for Lucha Underground to be shown in Mexico, it was rejected. If this was an appeal to American fans to try TripleMania, they probably went away excited to see these guys back in their normal environment but disinterested in seeing them treated like non-entities in AAA.

The video quality of the show was mostly fine, but the production choices were aggravating. They fell in love with crowd shows, hoping for big reactions, and often cut away from the ring during moves or during pinfalls. Important spots and action were missed during live action repeatedly. There was a loud buzz over the sound system during the later portions of the show, though they got it under control at some points.

This show was overall much better than last year’s shows, but there’s still plenty of issues. I didn’t feel this was a waste of time, simply that it could’ve and should’ve been better

Where can I watch it: It’s still available on iPPV and will start to air on TV a week from Saturday. Given the length of the show (around 3.5 hours), much will be cut or edited.

What’s next?: Heroes Inmortales on 10/04. Mesias/Texano seems like a lock, and matches like Garza/Mundo, Drago/Aerostar vs Cage/Hernandez, and all three Apaches versus Ricky/Chessman/Averno seem plausible. AAA’s clearly planning on actually doing Suicide/Daga sometime soon, and it may even happen this time. Read More