2005 Tapatia Discussion: Best Promotion, Best Rivalary

Schedule of Discussion:
Monday: Best Wrestler
Tuesday: Best Promotion, Best Rivalary
Wednesday: Best Tecnico, Best Rudo
Thursday: Best Legend, Best Female, Most Improved, Most Underutilized
Friday: Best Match, Best Singles Match, Best Non-Singles match

Best Promotion
2005 Winner: CMLL

Just to make this much more confusing, yet slightly more useful; instead of just making this an obvious parade of votes where everyone votes CMLL first and AAA second, it’s not going to be that simple.

I group promotions under CMLL or AAA banners because that’s where the top wrestlers are contracted out from, and it may be the banner the show runs under. In reality, most every different arena is a seperate promotion’s kingdom. Some strike deals to get major promotion talent (usually in exchange for not completely counteracting their storylines) and some go it out on their own, bringing in whoever they can afford and who’s available that week. Within their means, each arena is it’s own little world, and I figure they ought to be treated that way.

This year, we’re (and by we, I mean ME) are treating each arena as it’s own promotion, even the CMLL weekly spot shows buildings. If you want to place your three votes for CMLL-Mexico City, CMLL-Guadalajara and Arena Coliseo Monterrey, that’s perfectly acceptable. (The notable exception is Arena Mexico and Arena Coliseo counting as the same prmomotion.)

Once again, you can sort these into groups:

Places with TV shows (which actually made the internet)

If you’re watching CMLL, you’re probably watching the lucha from Mexico City. It is the hub, and has the advantage of doing the biggest matches (and doing the less big matches first). The downside is the sometimes limited amount of wrestlers you’re sell; there’s a lot more local flavor outside of the big city.

Guadalajara had a few very well recieved matches, including a really good Averno/Mistico match I need to watch already. Apolo Dantes and Mascara Magica were credited as bookers, and seemed to push away from trios matches and towards a lot more undercard singles, giving the lineups a look unlike others in Mexico.

Matches from Monterrey arena’s Gimansio Nuevo Leon & Arena Solidaridad made tapes under the name Lucha Libre Azteca, though I’m not sure if I’m making a mistake by grouping them as one. The shows seemed to fall from interest as the year went on, but hey, at least they were out there.

Someone somewhere likes AAA, and I hope they can make a case for votes. I really can’t without blatant and obvious lies. They did draw well, which seems to be a smart strategy of running big shows where CMLL doesn’t run big shows. If only everything else made as much sense.

US Lucha Promotions You May Have Seen In Person

FMLL and it’s twisted sister Lucha Va Voom were pretty fun when I saw them in Chicago and sounded pretty good when they were in Los Angeles. Of course, that’s two places, so those of you who werne’t there might not feel the same.

Promotions Which Existed In Name Only, Seemingly

I don’t think any IWRG got out of Mexico this year; I don’t see it where I’m looking.

Events at Arena Neza and Arena Aficion may or may not have been booked by people who comment on this board. I can neither confirm nor deny.

Best Rivalary
2004: El Hijo Del Santo vs Perro Jr.

I’m so sure I’ll miss plenty of smaller neat ones, but the biggies:

Atlantis vs Dr. Wagner Jr.
Perro Aguayo (and PdM) vs Universo 2000 (and Capos)
Perro Aguayo vs Mistico
Casas Family vs Perros
Ultimo Guerrero vs Mistico
Averno vs Mistico
Konnan (and LLL) vs Vampiro (and AAA)

01/10 news



I’m brain dead, my bed is three feet away, and I’m not going to get there for another couple hours. This is going to be short and horrible.

Tuesday’s Ovaciones previews the CMLL Mexico City and Aficion cards.

Box Y Lucha #2748 is up. Some of the articles inside
Cover mentions the deaths of Pancho Zapata and Karloff Lagarde’s wife.
Poster is a classic shot of Hijo del Diablo, Shu el Guerrero, Lobo Rubio. In the articles, Diablo, Guerrero, and Super Star talk their memories.
– A short article on the history of minis in Mexico wrestling.
– La Mascara talks about being Rookie of the Year.
– Referee Guëro Rangel is injured and taking time off from the ring to recover. Wrestler Halcon Negro has retired entirely.
– Huracan Ramirez is threatening to sue the fake Huracan Ramirez(es) into the ground.
– Rey Bucanero talks about his start in wrestling

Tommorow: Way late IWRG results, presumbably CMLL Coliseo results, and whatever else I steal from KrisZ

2005 Tapatia Discussion: Best Wrestler

The 2005 Tapatia Awards are – still not underway. This week, in a blatant attempt to fill space, we’re just previewing some of the deserving candidates for each award. Voting has not yet begun; this is just an occasion for discussion. I’m not trying to say who you should vote for; the idea is to give some names/events as possibilities, and everyone else discusses them.

Tentative Schedule of discussion:
Monday: Best Wrestler
Tuesday: Best Promotion, Best Rivalary
Wednesday: Best Tecnico, Best Rudo
Thursday: Best Legend, Best Female, Most Improved, Most Underutilized
Friday: Best Match, Best Singles Match, Best Non-Singles match

Best Wrestler (choose your top five)
2004 Winner: LA Park

I believe this category is wide open in terms of possibilities; you could with a few different wrestlers as #1, and I think lists 1-5 could vary. The candidates break down into a few different categories:

The No Doubters

If Mistico and Perro Aguayo Jr. aren’t on everyone’s ballots, I’d be shocked. I think they’re so obvious, it’s not even worth stating the cases of why they should be in your top 5; the only debate for me is which guy is better. I lean towards the guy who had to work in in more varying circumstances. Mistico was an underdog tecnico constantly, while Perro worked rudo and tecnico depending on who he was feuding with the second. Mistico was more spectacular, so I could see a case the other way.

The Almost No Doubters

If Atlantis and Dr. Wagner Jr. had The Match, one of them would be unanimous wrestler of the year, I believe. It probably would’ve been Wagner, and it probably would’ve been despite losing his mask. It was an unexpected year for both of them – Dr. Wagner had turned tecnico last year, but I’m not sure you could’ve predicted how over he’d get, and anyone who saw the Atlantis rudo stuff coming probably should’ve tipped off CMLL management earlier and saved everyone a lot of heartache. The fact that they didn’t have The Match, leaving a big void where a meaningful match should be (though Atlantis picked up quite a few trophies), might be a strike enough to leave them off a crowded list.

The Drawing Freaks

There’s no great internet groundswell for Konnan, Vamprio, or Groon; they probably won’t get a match of the year vote, and would be far more likely to appear in Worst Of The Year votes. Still, Gronda drew while in AAA and in the months just after he left, and Konnan and Vampiro were the big names on the biggest drawing shows of the year. If what the ticket paying fan gravitated to is a factor in your decision (and it could be! and it could not be! it’s your vote), you’d have to strongly consider these three because fans did want to see them.

I’m not exactly confident, but I think you could add Latin Lover (who may be more important, but is also wrestling less and didn’t have a big year) and La Parka Jr. (who won Rey de Reyes, and I still don’t know how) to this category.

Notable Mentions For The Year

It’s impossible to consider Perro Aguayo without considering his normal rival, Universo 2000. Given a better opponent then better years, it seems like he’s had a better year, not to mention big headline wins over Garza and Halloween. Universo’s in this category rather than the next because he’s an old man who conserves his energy by making the run of the mill matches feel very much so; I’m not confident that he just won’t start seeing everything as run of the mill sooner or later.

In my mind, Dark Angel is less important as an in-ring wrestler than as a symbol of the boom/bubble for women’s wrestling in 2005. There are probably more talented and likely more beautiful, but she was the eye of the hurricane, and her popularity (however it came) affected the composition of wrestling cards she wasn’t on, and gave opportunities to women she had no more than an indirect relationship. It wasn’t just Dark Angel (and next year, maybe it won’t be her, or maybe it won’t last), but as a 2005 symbol of the rise of women’s wrestling, Dark Angel perfectly fits the picture.

The perennials

Until they suffer an injury, or fall off greatly, or just vanish, there’s a group of people you can pencil in for great years before the year even starts. You know they’ll get an opportunity and they’ll make the most of it, even if they don’t have a particularly noteworthy moment during the year. This group currently includes Ultimo Guerrero, Hector Garza, Negro Casas, Shocker and, with a slight stretch, Rey Bucanero. Santo has wrestled enough to throw himself in this list, this year. These are the guys who you look forward to watching, but may get slighted in a Best Of list, because it wasn’t particularly their year.

Who did I miss? What arguments am I missing? What do you think? Add your thoughts in the comments!

01/09 news


Mistico and Dr. Wagner Jr. got split masks for Christmas!

CMLL (SUN) 01/08 Arena Coliseo Results [ova]
1) La Flecha, Zayco b Molotov, Zetta
2) Leono, Tigre Blanco, Tigre Metalico b Apocalipsis, Loco Max, Ramstein
3) Hijo del Canek, Mr. Mexico, Okumura b Metro, Pantera, Tony Rivera
4) Black Warrior, Heavy Metal, Lizmark Sr. b Mascara Ano 2000, Olimpico, Sangre Azteca
5) Rey Bucanero, Tarzan Boy, Ultimo Guerrero b Dos Caras Jr., Hijo del Lizmark, Rayo de Jalisco Jr.

Ovaciones’ report complains about the participants in the third match perhaps being mistaken about which sport they were doing, because it was all (futbol) kicks. Warrior didn’t turn rudo, however, the CMLL.com write-up says Warrior was teasing that direction (and has been for a while.) Tarzan lowbloed Dos for the win, which sets up a singles match this week.

CMLL has reversed back to resuming Arena Mexico shows on 01/20. Everything’s just ahead of schedule! It’s a good thing we’re all professionals here. Card should be announced later this week, unless they change their minds again.

indy (SUN) 01/08 Arena Solidaridad Results
1) Pegaso, Arkangel (Solidaridad) b Furia, Venganza
2) Mercury, Venum, Morvius b Norteno, Norteno Jr., Ben Hur
3) Aurora, Dark Angel, Diana La Cazdora b Chacala, Tsunami, Princesa Sujei
4) Caifane Rockero I, Caifane Rockero II b Difunto I, Difunto II
5) Estrella Dorado Jr., Silver Star, Trueno b Coco Viper, Diluvio Negro I, Memo Valle
6) Head Hunter I, Head Hunter II, LA Park b Hijo del Cien Caras, Mascara Sagrada, Super Parka

Super Luchas Grafico #7 is all about US Wrestlers, since they’ll be in Mexico next week.

Box Y Lucha just updated it’s lineups – after the break.

Awards talk later tonight. Maybe a recap too.

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01/08 news

SSW (FRI) 01/06 Auditorio de Tijuana Results [KrisZ]
1) Dementor, Onix b Cinico, Tazmania
2) Bengali, Ricochet, Thunder Boy b Diablo, Scream, Viernes 13
3) Extassis, Star Boy, Thunder Mask b Enfermero Jr., Pandillero II, Shamu
4) Octagoncito, Pentagoncito DQ Mascarita Sagrada, La Parkita
5) Estudiante, Humilde, Negro Azteca DQ Arandu, Mortiz, TJ Boy

indy (SUN) 01/08 Arena Solidaridad Lineup [KrisZ]
3) Caifane Rockero I & Caifane Rockero II vs Difunto I & Difunto II
4) Estrella Dorado Jr., Silver Star, Trueno vs Coco Viper, Diluvio Negro I, Memo Valle
5) Head Hunter I & Head Hunter II, LA Park vs Hijo del Cien Caras, Mascara Sagrada, Super Parka

Ovaciones previews the WWE shows – they’re going thru the commission like a normal show, and their final adjusted cards will come out Wednesday. The article was seemingly written before Juvi got let go, because they mention him as if he’s appearing.

CMLL (SUN) 01/08 Arena Neza Lineup [ova]
4) Lizmark Jr. & Metro vs Ultimo Guerrero & Nitro

Lizmark Jr. told Ovaciones that he’s expecting to go back to Japan soon, and he thinks he’s still in a yet-to-happen World G1 Tournament (which hasn’t gotten mentioned in forever.) Next NJPW tour is 01/28, if he’s on it – no outside participation has been announced yet.

What aired on GdR (I think):

12/25/05 Arena Coliseo
Heavy Metal, Negro Casas, Brazo de Plata b Universo 2000, Máscara Año 2000, Olímpico

12/23/05 Arena Coliseo
Atlantis, Último Guerrero, Rey Bucanero b el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Héctor Garza, Terrible

We don’t skip a week of tapings (meaning we’ve got the start of a LAG!), but we manage not to get Atlantis/Mistico. So sad.

01/07 news



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CMLL (FRI) 01/06 Arena Coliseo Results [ova]
1) Danger, Sensei b Polvora, Vaquero
2) Chamaco Valaguez Jr., Kronos, Valiente b Dr. X, Loco Max, Nitro
3) La Máscara b Black Warrior and Felino and Volador Jr. and Satánico and Texano Jr. and Máximo and Virus [cibernetico]
4) Brazo de Plata, Heavy Metal, Mr. Niebla b Mascara Ano 2000, Pierroth, Hijo del Pierroth
5) Atlantis, Olimpico, Rey Bucanero b Dr. Wagner Jr., Mistico, Negro Casas

If Warrior went rudo, he didn’t do in a big way – didn’t make Ovaciones.

CMLL (SUN) 01/08 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara Lineup
1) Furia Nazi vs Fantasma de la Muerte
2) Golden & Rockero vs Depredador & Fraile de la Muerte
3) Ringo Mendoza & Nube Roja vs Magnum & Infierno
4) Volador Jr., Kronos, Neutron vs Cien Caras Jr., Bestia Salvaje, Malefico
5) Brazo de Plata & Negro Casas vs Pierroth & Hijo de Pierroth

CMLL (TUE) 01/10 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara Lineup
1) ? vs ?
2) Celestial vs Flama
3) Rockero vs Mr. Trueno
4) Makabre & Carlo Roggi vs Evola & Guero Loco
5) Keonos vs Cien Caras Jr.
6) Brazo de Plata vs Asesino Negro
7) Volador Jr. & Rayman vs Pierroth & Hijo de Pierroth

Watching Lucha right now – it’s the scheduled episode. I won’t be around when GdR shows up, so I’ll get that lineup tommorow.

Recaps: GdR #3 and CMLL Gala 08/06/05